Friday, June 20, 2008

CITY COUNCIL MEETING 6/19/08

Our beloved City Council managed to vote on 10 Ordinances and Resolutions last night, and all before 10:00. I think they earned their paychecks for this meeting.

It went something like this: This is a very condensed version of the agenda.


R-08-23 Expanding a TIF area to include the Loop Island wetlands: vote 8-1 with Steve Price having the only nay vote


R-08-33 Concerning M & V investments, sorry I didn't quite get the story on this one but it did pass 9-0

R-08-34 A zoning resolution for the West End: The discussion went on forever on this one. Dan Coffey wanted to change some of the zoning so that the residents could build single family homes and duplexes but have a more difficult time obtaining zoning rights for multi family residences and retail businesses. There was a disagreement between Mr. Messer and Mr. Coffey as to whether property values would suffer because of the red tape developers would have to cut through. This is similar to the type of zoning in Cedar Bough and Catherine place. The vote was 6-3 (against) with Mr. Coffey, Mr. Price and Mr. Gonder having the yes votes.


A-08-08 Appropriation for a grant to purchase an AFIS machine. This was neat. Thanks to Baron Hill and a Federal Grant, New Albany will have a state of the art fingerprint database that will link up to the entire country. We will be more advanced than Louisville. In fact they will have to ask Sgt. Fudge (our fingerprint expert) for help. Vote 9-0 of course.


A-08-09 Additional Appropriation for the Riverboat Heritage Fund. No brainer.
Just use the $50,000 in private donations for fireworks at our July 4th celebration.


A-08-07 Additional Appropriation for roads and streets, this is to use the $500,000 we already have to pave the streets. This passed 9-0 of course.


Z-08-08 The Gary McCartin Charlestown Rd development. After hearing from several residents speak against this, the entire council voted no.


Z-08-10 Amendment to Code...Silvercrest Hospital development; all votes were yes.


Z-08-11 Storage units on Paoli Pike for the apartment complex. All voted yes.


Z-08-24 SDR Development - the development on Grantline Rd. SDR will pay tap in fees in advance and help to allow the surrounding homes access to city sewer lines. All yes on this one too.


Sorry about the lengthy post but it was a long night.


On a personal note, I was able to corner John Rosenbarger after the meeting about a comment he made in regard to the next Redevelopment meeting, Tuesday 6/24. It seems that Redevelopment has decided to include the entire city in the proposed study about home ownership. (see previous article)

Mr. Rosenbarger had me on his "call list" of local citizens to interview. The commission will be interviewing people from all parts of town and all age groups to determine how to encourage people to want to live in our fair city.
The target demographic will be younger people (under 35) and baby boomers who are looking to downsize and purchase retirement homes.














81 comments:

Ceece said...

Thanks for the meeting recap!

shirley baird said...

Your welcome Ceece. I miss seeing you at the meetings.

Anonymous said...

Question:

Why are they appropriating $50,000 for fireworks if they already have the money?

Anonymous said...

What's with all these TIF's? What is so important about Loop island?
A08-07 Why are we appropriating $500,000 for roads and streets, if we already have the $500,000. It seems to me England is back pedaling.

Anonymous said...

Who knows what is going on with this bunch downtown? These back room deals are really making me sick.

Thank you Shirley for giving us all a place to vent.

Ceece said...

I'll be back!

Anonymous said...

Councilmember Steve Price seem to be the only person who has our best interest at heart.

Anonymous said...

I do have a question that perhaps someone can answer. Does a business say Kroger, pay EDIT?

Anonymous said...

What's wrong NAC are you mad because Steve Price can't be bought. Like certain other Council members.

Anonymous said...

There was an earlier article printed on this blog site that said the the
Downtown Parking Garage TIF owed the EDIT Fund $3.5 Million dollars because EDIT moneuy was us;ed to pay off the Bonds on the Parking Garage.

If this $3.5 million dollars was repaid to the EDIT Fund, then we could fix all the streets.

Anonymous said...

QUESTION ?????

BUSINESSES GO TO THE COUNCIL AND GET
TAX ABATEMENTS TO RELIEVE THEM OF PAYING PROPERTY TAXES?

HOW CAN WE AS TAXPAYERS GET ONE OF THOSE TAX ABATEMENTS ? WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TOGET THIS FAVOR FROM THE
CITY COUNCIL ?

The New Albanian said...

One of many anonymous, newly re-empowered cowards wrote:

What's wrong NAC are you mad because Steve Price can't be bought. Like certain other Council members.

Poor grammar aside, I'm not mad because Price can't be bought, although if he could, it'd be a lot easier to get on with the business of improving the lot of those who have no interest in improving their own lots.

Rather, I'm sore because he can't think his way through a wet paper sack, because he's proud of his blindness, and because he has nothing to offer to the future of the city.

He's handsome, though, in sort of a Jethro Bodine way -- don't you think?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 12:31 we found Home Depot were not paying EDIT from payrolls. Who would know who else but the Auditor? And then only if you ran the records? Good question. Usually do not find out until some one you know work there and it is income tax time.

shirley baird said...

RE: the $50,000 and $500,00 approprations. I'm not an accountant but from what I understand, Mrs. Garry needs to council's approval to write a check for these expenditures. This is the case even if the funds were donated ie. the fireworks money or already earmarked for a purpose ie. the paving money.s

Anonymous said...

We wrangled with getting tax abatements for our home with Mr. Malysz. Come to find out, if we did remodel our home and hire local people we could get a tax abatement. We didn't do it because we did not wish to become involved with the city in that manner, lol

Anonymous said...

There has been too much money spent on unnecessary "perks" and too much shuffling of funds between departments. I respect the Police and Fire and the job they do, but at this crucial time in New Albany's existence, we must all sacrifice a little, and we must all tighten our collective belts. It is this, and other important issues that drives the need for a citizens forum, where EVERYONE may speak Thank you THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE for making this possible.

Jackie

Anonymous said...

the new albanian,

CRITICIZING FOR IMPERFECT grammar, OR ASSAULTED for disagreeing with Shirley's decisions of anonymous post is really none of your business. This is the people's blog, and were not going away. We have as much a right as NAC.

Drink your own kool-aid and leave us alone you big Bully.

The New Albanian said...

Why is it being a bully to ask that people like you be responsible?

Isn't that what you're asking, too?

Why is it okay for anonymous little people to bash away, but not okay for known entities to ask that we all occupy a level playing field?

Why the defense of cowardice?

Answer at your leisure, or not at all.

Anonymous said...

Everyone can rest assured that there are preparations are being undertaken for citizens to fight back. Unfair political practices, and back door dealings between the England Administration and our council that will certainly lead to the further, and future, demise of the City of New Albany.
For those progressives who think we have no plan, there is a plan.
This England administration is taking all they can get and running with it folks.
England knows there is no chance at a re-election, so what makes you think he gives a crap about our collective future
From what we've seen, and what we know, we can pretty well assure you the concerns of most go only as far as their back pockets.
Let us say that there have been so many inapproproate actions done already, that we simply can't sit back and allow this out of control train to derail the future of our once great City of New Albany.

Go to jail - you do not collect $200 Mr. England.

Anonymous said...

Doug England ignored the law and broke it when he appointed Carl Malysz as Deputy Mayor. England did not follow the law on the books for this appointment. Do your homework you will see we are right.

BTW: FOS is correct - "Same sh*t just a different year."

Great blog Mrs. Shirley, how's Jim doing?

Legal Beagle

The New Albanian said...

OMG - it's 2005 all over again ... and Legal Bagel is back!

What's next? Concern Taxpayer?

(rolling on the floor with laughter)

Anonymous said...

Have you missed me Roger?

Legal beagle

Anonymous said...

the new albanian,have you hacked into any more computers lately? You might not be so lucky next time.

Legal Beagle

Anonymous said...

the new albanian

double standard: a set of principles that allows greater freedom to one person or group than to another.

Do you ever wonder how narcissistic you are the new albanian? If you think the whole City of New Albany revolves around you then you truly suffer from excessive self admiration.

What about this:

aka NA SHADOW COUNCIL. You allow him to post on NAC, you repost his words but he's anonymous.

First, I support Councilman Stephen Price a 110% he has integrity.

Why is Messer, Smith, Gonder and Zurschmiede's committee for redistricting trying to take out Councilman Price?

Is it right to bash someone's character simply because of the way he votes?

New Albany river trash politics have to go.

Roger It is what it is.

Answer at your leisure or not at all.

Anonymous said...

That's a great response anonymous.

Anonymous said...

To the Voice of the people

Fair and balanced reporting just like Fox News.

Great blog Shirley.

Anonymous said...

England clains all these wish list projects are campaign promises. I'm not buying that at all. Boy I sure hope I never have a heart attack. The new and improved England. Half the projects on his list he tried to do in the 90's.

What do you think bloggers?

The New Albanian said...

Re: Shadow Council

If you'd been paying attention between trips to Wal-Mart and episodes of American Idol, you'd know that Shadow's identity was revealed long ago.

The reference to "hacking" is the perfect example of what I'm saying: Anonymity is funamentally cowardly, and practiced by those for whom social skills are an elusive dream.

I miss Nacy's Bagels, not Legal Bagel.

Finally, the rest of what I have to say to the two of you posing as an groundswell can be read in today's posting at NAC ... if, of course, either of you are capable of grasping it:

Monday's essential Mencken: "Homo Neanderthalensis" (1925) ... or, fundamentals of the Open Air Museum.

http://www.cityofnewalbany.blogspot.com/

Ta ta, wee ones. Gotta go brew some Porgressive pints now.

shirley baird said...

Welcome back Legal Beagle, Jim is fine, thanks for asking.

Shirley

shirley baird said...

RE: anonymous postings (again)

As long as people do not use profanity they are welcome to post on this blog.

Sometimes people are afraid to express themselves publicly for various reasons and I respect that. If a person is employed by the city or county bad mouthing "the boss" is not healthy for one's job status.

Jeff Gillenwater said...
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Jeff Gillenwater said...

It would be sad to see a positive voice for the West End disenfranchised by the association of cowardly innuendo rather than establishing credibility in the greater community.

Unlike the anonymous posters here, Shirley has set an example of how to be a better, proactive citizen by openly contributing to the conversation and transparently seeking common solutions.

If you can't find it within yourselves to at least take responsibility for your own words, you should at least respect her enough to not drag her down with you.

Anonymous said...

Mr. bluegill,

Who in the hell do you think you are to come here and try to intimidate us. Let us voice our own opinions. This is our town too.

There are many questions and unanswered questions and citizens of New Albany have a right to vent.

Do you mind if I ask a question or do we have to have your approval first Mr. bluegill?

1. Do we need to spend $2 million to reverse streets? No
2. Do we need to spend $5 million to cut a whole in our floodwall? No
3. Do we need to spend $1 million on Spring Street Hill? No
4. Do we need to spend $9 million on paving? No
5. Did we need to have a Deputy Mayor? No
6. Has Mayor England earned a $11K raise? No

Why does Maylsz refuse to pay back $3.2 million owed to the State Street TIF?

Can someone explain why not.

Anonymous said...

Is Ron Carroll a lawyer? It was stated in our Evening News he was England's legal advisor. I heard he was a retired banker. Does anyone know?

Anonymous said...

The England regime, and the neo cons thought they had the council and the populace figured out, or should I say controlled and manipulated over the last five month's. So now the England puppets who follow his line only reinforce his idiocy. There has been a major attempt in the past to surpress any opinion that differs with this NAC jackass. I can say that, right? Only now, the council and citizens begin waking up to a mess.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but despite a possible narrow interpretation of the 1st ammendment, the courts have ruled that no one may interfere with the free speech of another.
Most people agree with us so it makes our side right bluegill.

Anonymous said...

Mayor Wish List:

Old City Dump Redevelopment: Cost $2 million
Under Mayor England's last term there was talk of sealing over the dump and using it for a soccer field for children.

Main Street Improvements including median, lighting. Cost $1 million
Where on Main? There was a study for East Main Street improvements. Residents (Main Street Preservation Board) were in agreement with decorative lighting, but not the median.

Is another fire truck (or other equipment) required for expanding Park East Development?

New Parking deck cost: $6 million
England's last term, Mr. Applegate designed (there was a sketch-around 1996) a parking deck-it went from the alley behind Southside over to the top of the floodwall.

Anonymous said...

Thank you what a real education. You folks sure answered several questions I've had.

Anonymous said...

Keep up the good work, Shirley. U have to be doing something right for NAC to compare everyone to a bunch of ignoramuses Down right humourous. An educated fool in NAC, in my book.

No answers to the serious issues; perhaps NAC can't because of their board membership(s).

Anyone know what happened with the mortgage company, use to be on Spring before the Ellsby building and the FBI raided it?

Newsweek sure nailed the sub-prime mortgage lending scheme in an article in the June 2 issue titled Business, page 38. Sounds like the mess we have with our sub par housing and maybe how it got there.

Great reading, great blog.

Anonymous said...

New Albany's very own Reverend Wright aka Na Confidential Roger Baylor continues to spew his venom towards us little people.

But that's ok.

Reverend Baylor recent sermon spews out venom at citizens he tells his flock "little people's words don't matter".

Welcome to the genuine "cult of Roger Baylor", ya'll.

Complete with his own bible filled with: Thou shalt not hold me to the same standards to which you hold others.

We will see about that Rev.(Wright) Baylor.

The gates of hell are lined with
people like you.

I proudly wear my badge of anonymity.

The New Albanian said...

"I proudly wear my badge of anonymity."

Just the same way that bank robbers wear masks, but to each his own when it comes to fashion statements.

Anonymous said...

Me too.

Amen Reverend Anonymous keep preaching to the choir. We are fired up, and motivated "make the choir sing better."

Thank you Shirley for this forum.

Anonymous said...

We are dumping huge amounts of money into downtown and we don't even have a guarantee that it will work.

Anonymous said...

You know folks, I don't have a dog in this fight, but being in the real estate biz, I have an affinity for pro-growth projects of all kinds and I really hope this works out for New Albany, but it sure does seems like you are putting a lot of eggs in one basket. That can be a risky situation if your local rax base is holding a big part of the speculative risk as opposed to say, venture capitalists or institutional investors. It's been my experience, average ol' raxpayers get pretty yanked out of shape when they end up holding the bag.
So much for doing what's right for "your city". You can't think people are buying that England stuff, can you?

Anonymous said...

spelling error noted

Tax base and taxpayer.

Sorry about that.

Anonymous said...

England just don't get it. He absolutely overstepped his bounds by his decision to act like he can keep Silver Street Elementary open. Why haven't those parents and supporters asked Mayor England how much money will be lost to schools because of his expanding TIF areas?

The lack of in-depth media analysis was done to help the Mayor by not publicizing the unpopular increases of teachers salaries, but sadly, the reality is much more basic.

No $$$$$$

What part of NO money do these people not understand?

The local media continues it's plunge into mediocrity because, overall, it is lazy and incompendent.

The bottom line here, it is our School Boards decision not Mayor England's.

shirley baird said...

Dear Anon,

While I agree that the decision for school closings is up to the school board, I think the people who have children in that school or may in the future should be heard.

Many times people buy homes in certain neighborhoods because of the schools. Personally I would be furious if I bought my home in the Silver St. School area because of it's reputation and find that it is on the "hit list" for closings,especially if my child were to be bussed for miles to another school.

Didn't this school get a visit from Bush recently? And haven't they received awards?

I know your remarks were directed at the Mayor but I think he was just trying to support the residents.

Anonymous said...

WE NEED TO BE MAKING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SERVE THE COMMON GOOD RATHER THAN NARROW PRIVATE INTEREST.

IT SEEMS OUR CITY'S ATTEMPT TO USE LOOPHOLES MIGHT NOT BE SO EASY AFTER JUNE 30.

Anonymous said...

Mrs. Baird,

Every voice should be heard regardless if you are for or against any issue.

If there is "NO $$$$"

* for repairs
* additional cost increases of teachers insurance premiums
* teachers want salary increases
* less students per classrooms

How does our School Board meet all these needs?

Should our School Board make the tough decisions or request property taxes increase?

I recommend you read HB 1001

shirley baird said...

I agree that every voice should be heard. That is one of the reasons I call this blog "The Voice of the People".

I tried to skim over HB1001 but it was too long to try to read at one sitting. Then I remembered reading a comment in the "Tribune" about the athletic depts. of NAHS and FCHS so I checked the on line forums.

There is a comment on this subject posted by CSD19. They noted among other things that NAHS was given $1,004,000 for a new weight room and FCHS was budgeted $5,700,000 for a new athletic complex. The low bid was $4,923,000. This saved FCHS $777,000.

I think this $777,000 could go a long way to help with keeping Silver St. School open.

CSD19 rightfully stated that education should not suffer to subsidize athletic programs. I know athletics are important but should not be put above an elementary school.

In my opinion if there is a choice of keeping a school opening or improving a weight room or athletic complex, the elementary school should come first.

Anonymous said...

What funds are these Consultanting fees coming out of?

Anonymous said...

NEW ALBANY IS SPENDING $19,900 FOR
A STUDY TO SEE WHY PEOPLE ARE NOT
MOVING INTO NEW ALBANY !!!!!!!!

IS THIS A JOKE? ARE YOU KIDDING?

ASK THE MAYOR AND DEPUTY MAYOR TO TAKE A RIDE AROUND TOWN AND SEE THE
UNSAFE TRASHY HOUSES WITH TRUCKLOADS OF OLD TIRES FILLED WITH CONTAMINATED
RAINWATER.

ASK THE BUILDING COMMISSIONER AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHY
THEY TAKE NO........... ACTION WHEN
THESE MESSES ARE REPORTED.

WHY ARE THEY LOOKING AT ONLY THE
EAST END AND DOWNTOWN AREAS?

Anonymous said...

anon at 3:08 PM.

You made some good points. For that $19,900 that the Mayor and Deputy are spending, we could produce bushels and boxes of pictures of those inner city unsafe trashy houses, and we would not charge $19,900.
_____________________________________
The Tribune used to publish pictures of those trashy houses and called them, "THE EYESORE OF THE WEEK". They asked if the readers could identify those house addresses.
___________________________________
We could mail the pictures to the
Building Commissioner and Code Enforcement Officer.
___________________________________
DO YOU THINK THAT THEY WOULD TAKE ANY ACTION ? YOU BE THE JUDGE.

Anonymous said...

The bigger questyion is, if my neighbors and myself pull yogether, clean up our subdivision, nag code enforcement until they come out and cite violators, start a neighborhood watch, and do all of the other things to keep our subdivision from decling, what good is it going to do when all the nearby subdivisions go downhill?

I don't know what the solution is but I get the feeling that we may be trying to put a bandaid on a severed arm.

Perhaps it is time to move on.

Who can afford to live in New Albany anymore.

Anonymous said...

There are businesses and unoccupied homes (boarded up) that are never checked by our Building Commissioner.

If you aren't going to enforce codes, then why have them?

Who among us is too good to follow rules?

So now my feelings are nothing is ever going to change in Floyd County. We could probably save money by eliminate the Code Enforcement and Building Inspectors.

Anonymous said...

I'm a stickler for strict code enforcement, and I've done my share of ratting-out neighbors who repeatedly junk up our neighborhood.

Anonymous said...

BUILDING COMMISSIONER AND CODE ENFORCEMENT MONEY BEING USED IN THE CITY BUDGET. ???

COULD SOME ONE CHECK WITH THE ,MAYOR OR CONTROLLER OFFICE AND TELL US WHAT
THE BUILDING COMMISSIONER , STAFF AND CODE ENFORCEMENT ARE COSTING US
NOW ? DON'T FORGET TO INCLUDE THE COST FOR CARS AND CELLPHONES FOR THESE PEOPLE.

OH YES.... MAYBE WE NEED TO PRIVATIZE THE BUILDING COMMISSIONERS OFFICE AND GET SOME WORK DONE TO CLEAN UP THE CITY.

IF THE BUILDING COMMISSIONERS OFFICE WAS PRIVATIZED, THEN, THE
NEW COMPANY COULD MOVE AHEAD WITH THE CLEANUP AND NOT PROTECT THEIR
POLITICAL PALS !

Anonymous said...

Our City is absolutely useless on anything complicated, particularly zoning and building issues.
Sorry--I have too much direct experience. The Department is useless. And every few years they totally restructure, revamp, etc. -- And NOTHING gets better!

Anonymous said...

Our mayor deserves to be assigned to a street sweeper and that will probably tax his intelligence. He needs to support our laws that are designed to protect New Albany citizens, instead of playing political games and lining his pockets.
England needs to go

shirley baird said...

I have been attending meetings for the last 3 days concerning the neighborhood study on home ownership.

It was originally intended to cover the S Ellen Jones and Uptown neighborhoods but my "Tribune" letter and nagging got their attention. I was the only person from the west end in attendance.

I know how everyone feels about neighborhood studies. I had never been a part of one and wanted to see if there was anything I could contribute. I did bring up the vacant boarded up houses and the lack of code enforcement. People from other neighborhoods said they have the same problems.

There will be a recap meeting tonight will all of the participants and the reps from the Fall Creek consulting co. I will post the results later.

I know it seems like we are all beating our heads against a brick wall but this is what we have to work with. I wish there was a solution. All we can do is just keep trying and hope for good results.

Jeff Gillenwater said...

Actually, Shirley, you were suggested as a participant before the Tribune letter. Thank you for participating.

Isn't it interesting how people who sign their name and take an open interest are easy to identify and include when things like the study happen?

shirley baird said...

Jeff,

Just our of curiousity, who suggested that I join the study?

Anonymous said...

So what's your point bluegill?

shirley baird said...

Jeff,

I went back to the last article where you said that I was personally invited to participate even though I had written that letter.

So to you or whomever added my name to the list I say thank you. We all need to do what we can to keep involved with what is going on whether we agree with the plans or not.

I wish more people from my district had been asked to participate. Hopefully from now on these meetings will be open to the public.

Anonymous said...

Did the study cover the entire city?

We all know many studies are useless. We all know corruption exists.

I often wonder how some politicians can sleep at night, the way they squander our money. I also wonder how much better our city could be if local government took all the money it currently spends on useless studies, certain government jobs and "consulting" contracts to his friends and poured that money into tangible programs that could actually make a physical difference. Rather than just commissioning another report lining the pockets of some consulting company run by their old college buddy or campaign donors so the Mayor can send out a press release that tries to convince the citizens of New Albany that they are taking action.

We elected them and they need to make firm action choices that exhibited an awareness of what the whole community wants as well as fiscal responsibility.

Look at our local spin doctor Carl Maylsz.

Our tax dollars have been buying ridiclous and meaningless sound bites from this guy for months.

Our city has been through the spin cycle so many times were all dizzy.

Jeff Gillenwater said...

Shirley,

When we were asked about possible neighborhood participants (including the West End), Ted and I both thought of you. Ted sent an email suggesting you and then I saw your post here about the study.

I contacted Ted and told him I was thinking the same thing but that you'd written about the study and it seemed pretty negative. He said he would email you about it and I wrote here.

Then I saw you Monday. I spoke with Ted briefly yesterday after the afternoon session and he said it went well. If I'm not mistaken, you were in that one. What'd you think?

Anonymous said...

Local government is the same old system over and over.

When problems and city needs arise, they say we need to do a STUDY, and
set up a new BOARD with paid BOARD
members.

Our tax dollars continue to go into
someone's pocket for political paybacks, and NOTHING GETS DONE TO CLEAN UP THE CITY MESS !

THE EARLIER ARTICLE THAT SUGGESTED TO PRIVATIZE THE OFFICE OF BUILDING COMMISSIONER WAS A TERRIFIC IDEA.

DO YOU THINK THE MAYOR AND DEPUTY MAYOR MALYSZ WILL EVEN LISTEN ????

Jeff Gillenwater said...

Shirley,

Didn't see your last post before I wrote mine. I agree about participating. We sometimes disagree, but you obviously care and put time and effort into improving the city. I respect that.

The consultants usually do individual interviews but we had enough interest that they had to schedule people in groups.

I'm sure there are others, but I suggested you because you're the only West Ender I personally know who's expressed interest in neighborhood revitalization. I assume Ted was the same.

Hopefully, your organizational efforts will help with that process next time.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 9:48 ..........

You hit the nail on the head.

Let's privatize all of the useless
City Departments and get our city cleaned up.

If we just privatize one City Department, then, the other City Depts would lay down those cell phones, get out of our paid city cars and get some work done.

shirley baird said...

I agree with the people who expressed frustration with the studies. As I said earlier this was my first experience with a consulting firm & I wanted to see what it was all about.

How can we make sure this study does not end up on a shelf somewhere?

At the Monday meeting Mayor England made a brief appearance and said that he wished the entire room was filled with interested citizens. The people there were mostly representatives of neighborhood associations.

I think if he wanted a town hall type meeting it would not be hard to fill up a room.

Jeff Gillenwater said...

Shirley,

How can we make sure this study does not end up on a shelf somewhere?

By sharing the results and banding together to make sure that the city pursues at least some of the suggestions. The problems with past studies haven't necessarily been the studies themselves. It's been follow-through afterwards, with neither citizens nor elected officials pushing for action based on study results.

Since this study was commissioned by the administration, I'm hopeful that they'll continue to support it. We'll have to make sure the city council does as well as they have very often been the hold-up in the past.

If people want to be included, they have to get involved. That means doing quite a bit of work on their own and communicating and showing up in person as much as possible to present ideas and strategies.

Unfortunately, the typical response for some people around the city is to do nothing (at least that they'll admit to) and then anonymously criticize those who are putting in the effort.

I can respect legitimate disagreement but all the outrage in the world doesn't mean anything coming from an anonymous keyboard. If anyone wants to be counted, they need to be a real,live person.

I know that would blow the cover of some people who use anonymity to try to make it seem like there's a lot more of them than there actually are, but even a couple real people mean more than hundreds of anonymous pot shots.

Anonymous said...

bluegill

Oh I get it, we must do only what YOU want. Then why don't YOU run for office? You seem to think you have all the answers.

Anonymous said...

Roger--your boat does not float here--watch it or you will drown in your own lies and bullshit!

Anonymous said...

Has anyone noticed that most of England's trolls have simple names like, Randy and Roger, and etc. To match their simple minds I guess. If you are lost, find a way home.

Anonymous said...

Freedom Of Speech "ROCKS" go Erik go.

The New Albanian said...

Whenever I need a laugh, I consider the strange fact that folks need to come to Shirley Baird's blog to comment about things written elsewhere.

The courageous Erika is so supportive of free speech that she won't allow comments at her blog, and at mine, we ask that people have identities before they post -- and apparently that's too much to ask.

Of course, "Fed Up" died, literally and figuratively.

I'm enjoying the anony-graffiti wall here. Thanks, Shirley.

Anonymous said...

Identities? Names...numbers, anything else you would like?

Your "reign" of terror against all others who do not agree with you or may even have more knowledge than you? Give us a break and go back to your beer, your brewery, your athiesm, your paganism, and your hedonistic way. You do not seem to be getting sympathy from these readers. Maybe people would like for you to stay in your own sandbox as all you can do is complain. Waaaah.

shirley baird said...

New Albanian,

So glad to be able to brighten your day.

I don't consider this blog an "agony wall", I guess that is a reference to the Wailing Wall. For whatever reason some people prefer to remain anonymous. As I said before, everyone needs a place to vent, whether they identify themselves or not.

Shirley

Anonymous said...

Beavo Shirley! Maybe when the redo Plaza Drive they'll put that a** hole outta business. If that doesn't maybe the feds will.

Anonymous said...

the new albanian,

Could it be that the group over at Freedom of Speech is smarter than you? You have what maybe two or three post if your lucky. Maybe your out of kool-aid again. Maybe if you put some real facts out there, maybe people might read your work instead of going there to use links. huh?

The New Albanian said...

I'm delighted that you know the location of our business, which currently employs upwards of 50 people, most of whom live right here in New Albany.

When you grow the balls sufficient too call me an "a**hole" to my face -- that being thee adult thing to do -- then you'll know where to come do it.

Shirley, is this the sort of "vent" you think is necessary now and then? Sounds cowardly to me.

shirley baird said...

Actually, the venting I was referring to is the comments about our fair city and the problems with sewers, taxes, roads, etc.

I think everybody understands that.