I am sure this is what many attendees of last night's council meeting are saying now. Many residents told their stories of having flooded basements, even sewage in their homes and pleaded with the council for help. Many council members were obviously disturbed by these stories and accompanying pictures.
It is a terrible shame that people have to live like this, losing countless thousands of dollars and living in unsafe homes that are unsellable. Thankfully the resolution passed 9-0 that would free up funds to reimburse these people. Also Attny Shane Gibson promised to look into these claims and forward them to the city's insurance company. The residents also filed Tort Claims to help reclaim some of the lost funds.
The other major item on the agenda was the Ordinance to allocate $1,000,000 to hire 10 new police officers. After the first vote failed to pass, CM Messer asked that the Ordinance be amended to be reduced to $500,000 and hire 5 new police officers. CM Caesar changed his vote to aye and the Ordinance passed 5-4. Voting aye were CM's Caesar, Benedetti, Messer, Zurschmeide and Coffey.
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By the way, there were several eloquent speakers last night at the podium, especially Vicki Denhart. She used to have a fear of public speaking but obviously overcame it. Good job Vicki.
What the hell does Councilman Coffey know about accountability? He is a disgrace to his district. Him and the others sold those poor citizens out. In my opinion he needs to be removed from office.
Shirley,
Without getting into all the side issues and based just on last night, I also thought Ms Denhart was an effective speaker for her positiion.
Denhart, who continually lambastes the concept of a "bailout" at her anono-blog, merely pandered to last evening's crowd and, in effect, said that we should take any money we have and "let them have it."
Coffey let it be known that the way to avoid all future problems is to have him (oops, I mean the council) rule on it. Great. See any engineers up there? I don't.
But they're right, even if for the wrong reasons. The solution to the construction/drainage/sprawl/planning problem is a massive, intelligent, comprehensive green plan that is designed for the future, properly funded and built for accountability.
Might take ten years to make a dent in fifty years of debacles, and cost more than a few million, but that's the only non-Band-Aid out there. And none of you are willing to pay for it, are you?
When you find any elected or appointed city official with the credentials and the chutzpah to go there, let us all know. Otherwise we get more of last night's pandering, sloganeering and vote-browsing, because that's all it was, folks: A farce of crocodile tears from people who know they lack the ability to do anything about the real problem.
Just out of curiosity, but isnt what the "storm water run off tax" was supposed to be there for to fix?
It is, Christopher, but like Roger said, you can't make up for 50 years of neglect overnight. That doesn't mean that we don't give a major effort. However, $35-40 a year per household isn't going to pay for very much. It could, possibly, over time but we need a quicker fix than that amount of money will allow. IMO, of course.
I know its been mentioned previously, but we are now paying the price for unchecked destruction of green space.
Water run off impoundments in recent developments do an okay job for the immediate area, but even at that a run off pool is not nearly as efficient as a good old fashioned patch of trees or open field.
I suspect once the Coes lane develpment chews up that large open grassland on the left before the series of turns, we will see massive drainage issues occur there as well.
The Castlewood area is common sense, you have the concrete jungle on the east side of Grantline road, and since castlewood sits much lower, well, break out the life vests and rubber dingys folks.
One of these days we will wake up and realize that nature has a plan, and it works, after all it took billions of years to perfect the system.
What I heard Ms. Denhart say: you have the money now fix it.
How would you like to wait until fall to have your drainage or sewer fixed?
Any respect I had for Caesar went down the drain with the rest of Messer's, Crabtree and Haub's crap.
I hope every one of them have to experience what those family's have experienced and been through
But I don't think they all live in New Albany, do they?
Sure glad that was not our home being discussed.
I think it's criminal England doesn't use the new CDBG money $195,513 on the drainage these poor families need fixing instead of E.Spring St. & SEJ.
May you rot in HELL, Doug England for putting political favors ahead of New Albany citizens!!!!!!!!!!
I'll second that motion/one anonymous.
Got to ask:
Are people still being told (by city officials) that they need to IMMEDIATELY call the wastewater treatment plant, when they are having/seeing any sewer backups? Then to also call their Mayor/Council Members? Are the employees of EMC at the plant 24/7? Do they operate the plant on "automatic" at any time? Wonder how many residents there were, who had problems and didn't notify anyone! Is any information on what residents are to do in case of sewer problems, included in the sewer bills being sent out? (Yes, I know it should be understood that they need to hire any attorney, if they have damages).
Susan
These five council members should be removed:
Coffey
Messer
Benedetti
Zurchmeide
Caesar
All five showed what was most important to them "police officers".
Now England wants to raise services. Why doesn't he give back his raise and remove Deputy Mayor Malysz?
I'm with you on that one. My question is where is the Storm water money going and being used for? What is England doing with the sewer collections? To many questions not enough answers.
Where do you think the money went? You got it!
I don't understand why they have to have a deputy mayor for such a small town. Is England so busy he can't make decisions for a town like New Albany? Is it true how much the deputy mayor makes?
Anyone know where I can get a sign or two that out in Slate Run area? My family is against any kind of rate increase. Live on a budget like the rest of us ot start laying off city employees.
If you are as smart as you think you are NAC,you will leave the signs alone or remove one and take a chance of a fine and a night in jail.
"I don't understand why they have to have a deputy mayor...."
There is much you don't understand.
"If you are as smart as you think you are NAC,you will leave the signs alone or remove one and take a chance of a fine and a night in jail."
HAHAHA. You want the police to protect your signs? I bet you're for more police now that you have stupid signs everywhere. Didn't you call police "terrorist hiding behind badges"? Geez, take your meds and make up your mind.
FOS cracks me up! That stuff is too funny. FOS takes itself so seriously. If only FOS knew how childish that site is.
I'm a professor too! FOS gets an F!
F.O.S. = Flunkies of Speech
....and
Flunkies of Spelling
....and
Flunkies of Syntax
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Flunkies of Science
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Flunkies of Social Studies
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hey, why's the "virginia martin, treasurer" crap on the no tax sign. you know you don't need that stuff. you might be a real organization if you knew the rules, ladies. this isn't a presidential campaign.
"If you are as smart as you think you are NAC,you will leave the signs alone or remove one and take a chance of a fine and a night in jail."
Go back to school. No one proposes to touch signs that are legally posted.
Illegal is another matter. Will I get fined and jailed for enforcing a code?
The signs that are not placed on private property with the express consent of the property owners is nothing more than litter and vandalism.
The signs placed on public right of ways, closed properties with out the express consent of the property owners, and nailed to telephone poles are illegal, and CFA should be fined for each and every incident, and I think people should make the calls to the code enforcement officer starting today, you see a sign posted illegally, call it in, we will see how quickly CFA becomes a non-entity again.
(for the record I feel the same about "we buy houses", "prescription medicine help", etc....
Equal protection and enforcement under the law, I am sure CFA will appreciate and understand that.
Be accountable, and be what you say CFA is, remove the illegally posted signs!
Chris,
I agree with you about all of these signs for mortgage companies, house for rent, yard sale, cheap medications, etc. They are everywhere.
At least the CFA signs are neatly printed by a printing company. Is the sign on the corner of Grantline and Daisy illegal? Everybody in town had signs there in 2007 during the election time. I had one there too because everybody else did and I thought it was OK.
Is that our high NA standards? Everyone else has broken the law so I guess it’s OK if I do too?
Whether it’s with political signs, building code violations or something else, at some point it has to end. It’s time to raise the bar, New Albany.
Roger, no need for you to go looking for illegal signs. I’m sure the anonymous volunteer building inspector who was researcher whether you had a permit on Bank St. will be lending her services in the name of law and order. (wink)
From FOS:
Let's begin with the premise that you were elected to represent the People, and you were elected to uphold the U.S. Constitution.
OK, OK, I’ll take the bait. I know the common council is violating the state and US constitutions by failing to redistrict. Don’t take my word for it. Take it from the federal judge. But tell me, which part of the constitution is England violating? If you cannot cite the clause, Article and/or Section, don’t reply. If you’re so confident he’s violating the constitution, tell us which part.
We're educated and reasonable people, why don't you care to hear what we have to say?
College professors, no doubt.
Some of you sound like you have your own agenda.
Finally it's good to see an organization fighting for the little guy.
They must of raised the funds to make their signs or collected donations.
I'm with you Shirley, I think their signs are neatly printed. You can even read them in the dark.
If they are a PAC, and I am willing to bet they are, they are required by law to place a disclaimer on signs. The property belongs to Mr.McCartin and he allows democrats always to use his corner, even Douglas B. England did in the last election. So if it's good enough for England's campaign sign, it should be good enough for Citizens for Accountability. Get off your soapbox, it makes you naysayers look awful bad.
btw, on NAC they are mocking their sign, but I suggest unless your registered with the State of Indiana, that sign in there can come back and bite you if you are not careful.
Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita take signs very seriously and if I am correct, Ms. Denhart is very good friends with him and others up state and in Washington.
Oh yeah, I'm so sure the secretary of state just waits by the phone for nutcases like VD to call. Quit trying to be important by association, Vicky.
And the sign on NAC violates no laws, stupid. Parody is protected under the First Amendment Freedom of Speech, something FOS apparently knows nothing about.
NAC has "naysayers." Your sign has a big fat "NO" on it. Who's the naysayer?
Did they remove your campaign signs Shirley?
Give it a rest why don't you. We have several issue our city needs to handle like a, new City Hall, Youth Center and a new Jail.
The property belongs to Mr.McCartin and he allows democrats always to use his corner, even Douglas B. England did in the last election. So if it's good enough for England's campaign sign, it should be good enough for Citizens for Accountability.
So you're saying you didn't actually ask the owner, you just assumed that since you call yourself a democrat he'd be OK.
Roger's a democrat. I guess a "YES" sign would look great next to it
"YES" to redevelopment and two way streets!
New sign:
NO!
NO Pot holes filled.
No Plan to fill them.
Citizens for Accountability
Your an idiot for sure. Most people ask to place signs, why do you argue about every little detail? You ought to be glad someone is fight for us.
I think we need to have a debate between Ms. Denhart and Roger Baylor.
That's a NO brainer who would WIN.
But then again, Baylor can only sit behind a key board and not speak without notes.
So who would you put your money on bloggers?
Mine's on Denhart for sure.
Hell, I got a lot of friends in Indy and D.C. as well! can I get signs too?
Erika's a fine public speaker, but when you can sing only two notes, you don't need sheet music.
but we don't raise fees, we can't buy stilts for the little people. you know, nuttin's funnier than clowns on stilts. i love the circus. now will vicky please stick her head in a lion's mouth. that would be awesome!!!
What exactly dies this group stand FOR? No fees, no taxes, no cops, no raises, no paving, no this or that.Then again they always complain the cops suck and are slow to show up, the street are torn up, the alleys are full of rubbish.
vicky couldn't keep up with roger in a debate. roger needs someone smart to debate. smart, like a professor.
oh, i have an idea! how about roger and eric have a live debate! i bet roger's game.
oh, is the professor chicken? afraid roger's going to show him up? why else wouldn't he want to debate. chicken! chicken!
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eric's a chicken!
he's too scared to debate roger!
oh wait, someone wrote that roger's a poor debater. he's a poor debater and eric STILL won't take him on. damn, what a stupid professor. his website is a joke. hahahahahahahahaha.
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My sign reads:
"YES" England won the Election. Get over it!
NO new ideas
NO we haven't found Price's brain yet.
Paid for by Citizens for Accountability
Your an idiot for sure.
Your syntax has been corrected many times before on this blog.
It's: "You're an idiot for sure."
If you're mean "you are," the contraction is "you're." "Your" is possessive second person only. "Your" never means "you are."
If you want me to believe you're not an idiot, start by learning the black and white lessons that people are teaching you for free. Then we can talk about more complicated issues.
N N OO Clue
NN N O O
N N N 0 0
N NN OO Idea
Paid for my Citizens for Accountability, Vicki Denhart, Poser in Chief
so are roger and REALLY going to debate live and in person? i can't wait! where do i get tickets!
Have Stormwater, Drainage and the Street Department and maybe even Sanitation ever been removed from the "Sewer" slush fund?
Remember how we were told IT HAD TO BE DONE; yet people want to carry on we need a rate increase to make sewers self sufficient.
Little do you know, my friend. Little do you know. History repeating itself, all over.
I want to hear from the wise professor about why the sewers should not be self sufficient. This will be...entertaining....like little people on stilts trying to be high minded.
You know, I've been thinking about this, and of course I'd debate Professor Erik. Even sans notes.
But it has to be him, not some transgendered poseur, and I'll be needing a photo ID.
Can CFAnonymity afford a cardboard cutout of Prof. Erik?
"Little do you know, my friend. Little do you know." Yoda says
Come on, Eric. Take a one day vacation from blogging and meet Roger for a debate.
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I thought the post here had to do with citizens who got their homes flooded. Not personal attacks.
How about Eric and Roger debate the flooding issue?
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I have no objections to the preceding being left as it is.
All I object to is the cowardice of the author.
Damn! I feel left out!
Because I am still waiting for Captain Anonymous to tell me all about me and tell me about all the horrible things my dad did....
And to you "Mr. Baylor", when I disagreed with some of your opinions, did you somehow get to my surgeon and pay him off for me to end up with the problems I had back in November through March? 'Cause I remember not completely agreeing with you about something shortly before Thanksgiving....
I had no clue you were so powerful!!
:)
8:14, you don't even have friends in New Albany.
if you can invent a professor, you can invent a friendship.
make believe can be fun!
"8:14, you don't even have friends in New Albany.
July 22, 2009 6:48 PM"
Come on, you can be more creative than that. That is actually a disappointing attempt at an insult.
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Why don't we discuss how Baylor got his liquor license and how he got his sidewalk and patio done with taxpayer dollars.
Let's also discuss how THEY hacked into Yvonne Kersey's computer and others
....and so on.
Yes, let's discuss FACTS.
Let's talk about PROOF.
You can make a lot of accusations, but show us the proof. Show us some EVIDENCE.
You're great a rumor spreader. Show us you actually know something real.
Now a tiny number of the points you make are true, like the redistricting plaintiff's attorney getting $5000. That's because the judge ruled that the city didn't follow the constitution. Beardsley never would have received a penny on the case if Coffey or Price had voted to redistrict.
Now what's more important? You want to point your shameful finger at someone who gets paid to work to see that the city follows the constitution? Or would you rather point your finger at Price and Coffey and the others who have repeatedly failed to obey the constitution? Go get your attorneys fees refund from Dan Coffey. Also get a refund from Price and Coffey for the sewer contract lawsuit. That's just the start.
If you're not for the constitution, then you're not for Freedom of Speech. You also must not be for other constitutional rules, like rules keeping the police from locking you up "just because." Well, maybe we'll stop trying to have a little rule of law in this town. Maybe someone will pull you out of bed tonight, carry you off, lock you up, and throw away the key without a trial. It would save the city money, no? If you're in jail, no one had to pave the roads you drive on.
Why don't we discuss how Baylor got his liquor license and how he got his sidewalk and patio done with taxpayer dollars.
Let's also discuss how THEY hacked into Yvonne Kersey's computer and others
This is CLASSIC F.O.S. B.S.
Someone asks for a debate with professor Eric. She knows she can't produce an Eric. So she changes the subject by attacking the person asking the question.
CLAAAAAAAAAASSIC!
Randy, that is grounds for a defamation lawsuit. I suggest you file a suit, have the judge request the computer records from Google, and continue the suit against the person who made the defamatory post. You will win.
Wow, 6:09. You're pathetic. Absolute slime. I don't blame you for posting anonymously, your family would be ashamed of you. As it is, I'm embarrassed for you.
Wow.
Anyone like to still defend anonymity?
Let's assume everything 6:09 wrote is correct. Even so,
WHAT THE HELL DOES ANY OF THAT HAVE TO DO WITH:
1. USE OF EDIT FUNDS,
2. SEWER RATES,
3. NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS,
4. TWO WAY STREETS,
5. CODE ENFORCEMENT,
6. REDISTRICTING, or
7. ANYTHING IMPORTANT?
It sounds like 6:09 just enjoys being a bully.
If Christopher makes a point about police officers, then it stops being about police and starts being about Christopher's dad.
If Roger make a point about sewers, it stops being about sewers and starts being about Roger's wife.
Come on Anon. 6:09. Let's assume that everything about these guys IS true and let's assume that it ACTUALLY MATTERS to what policy should be in NA.
What skeletons do you have in your closet, 6:09? Why are you afraid to put a face with your cowardly post?
Did you serve time for fondling children?
Did you embezzle from your employer?
Have you been successfully sued for slander a dozen times?
Are you serving time in a hospital for the criminally insane?
Were you arrested for posing as a government official?
Are you a drug addict?
Are you criminally stalking a hard working elected official right now?
Were you fired for being a poor employee?
Did you criminally make copies of government records when you should have kept a public trust?
HELL, since you're anonymous, we'll just ASSUME you are PERFECT! Never done anything wrong in your life, I bet! Since issues aren't important, and since personal attacks are, then I guess it's easy to make these attacks because you're a flawless human being, an angel with a heart a gold who enjoys spreading false rumors about peoples' personal lives. I bet Jesus loves you more than anyone else too!
Ms. Baird, this has gone too long. I am willing to give up my ability to post here anonymously if it means I don't have to read the baseless and insulting rumors about various people's personal lives posted by 6:09.
Any decent person should feel insulted by that post. It is shameful of the poster, but it also is shameful of the blog admin. Yes, you can go in and delete the post, but the damage has been done. The post has been made and it has been read. And you allowed it to happen.
Ms. Baird, regain your respectability and be a responsible blog admin. Stop allowing the baseless, anonymous, malice illustrated by 6:09.
As Louisville native and U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis said, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant."
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If someone hacked into Yvonne Kersey's computer the police should go investigate.
Something smells fishy there
If the shoe fits wear it, you can dish it out, but you can't take it.
Let's compare the so claim deflimantion to everything printed on NAC. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so here there is mine.
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If you have evidence of a hacking, go the police. Since you have not gone to the police, I assume you have not evidence of a hacking, or of much anything else.
Yvonne Kersey was in a mental state that allowed her to invite the police in and show them to the basement. If she were in that mental state then, why should we believe she could reason who hacked into her computer, or that anyone hacked into her computer?
Conspiracies everywhere, but not a shred of evidence.
Let's compare the so claim deflimantion to everything printed on NAC. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so here there is mine.
1. Here two wrongs makes two wrongs. If someone murders your child, you don’t suddenly have the right to murder their child. Your remedy is in the courts.
If NAC defamed you, you also have a right to sue Roger, just has Randy has the right to sue you. It don’t suddenly have the right to defame others. Again, someone ask you a tough question, and instead of answering it, you point the finger and make up an new rumor.
2. The law makes a distinction between stating something as an opinion and stating something has a fact. The 6:09 defamatory statements were stated as if the writer knew them to be facts. It doesn’t matter if you think they’re opinions. It matters how to state them and you did not state them as opinions.
3. Defamation law makes a distinction between statements about public figures and statements about private citizens. Political speech has higher protection than speech about private citizens. Don’t believe me then look it up. Also, private citizens who seek to input themselves in public issues (such as right letters to the editor about government policy) can move from the “private” to “public” level of scrutiny, if your speech related to their public actions. That is, if you choose to become public, you get the lower level of protection from defamation because we know can talk politics about you instead of just your private life. If you just write about a private individual’s relationship with his wife, and you’re wrong, then you have a loosing lawsuit on your hands.
Start saving up for a defense fund. I don’t think anyone’s going to take your case for free.
Everyone should simply not respond to this maniac when they make such statements, period. Take away the victims and a troll moves on.
DLB
Dear anonymous 6:09,
I realize that people spread rumors and make jokes about other people on this blog and others. But this has gone too far.
You wanted me to show my spine by not deleting your comments. I decided not to delete them but not because of what you said.
I had not had a chance to check my blog until today and obviously others have already read your comments and responded.
The people who are mentioned in your "Let's discuss" comments may respond, and if they do, I will not delete their comments either.
Personally, I don't agree with your tactics any more than I agree with the way Mr. Price is portrayed in other articles or Mr. Schmidt was treated before him.
Has Eric accepted Roger's debate offer?
Dear Anon 6:09, I feel very, very, very sorry for you. You are an extraordinarily bitter person. Life can be so beautiful.
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Let's compare the so claim deflimantion to everything printed on NAC. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so here there is mine.
So these are your opinions?
So you admit you have no proof?
So you admit you are just spreading rumors?
Why are you not like the boy who cried wolf? Why should be believe anything you/”Eric”/FOS/CFA writes?
Castlewood area was suppose to be turned into a drainage area but someone downtown changed the landscape and let someone build. The new stormwater laws are going to bite on the new tow in lot and it's drainage. We tried to tell them the new laws call for something to contains radiator fluid, oil, other contaminants which may occur and they simply go ahead and do whatever they wish.
Do we have a new Stormwater Master Plan; we started back under Bob Real with the studies.
I personally would like to know of any drainage projects finished and who or what they helped.
Thank you.
Re: Castlewood,
I understand that we do have a stormwater master plan but I am not sure who to ask. I guess the best person to ask would be Brad Kessans, Utilities Director @ 948-5320. Hope this helps.
Shirley
RemChar,
If you are still reading this blog, do you now see why NAC has the "rule". Is there any doubt that 6:09 would not have posted their "rant" if even one person knew who they were? I know that you have to find that comment's contents disgraceful. Like I said before, it's a trade off. Shirley makes a good a point, but at least 99% of the people picking on Mr. Price take public responsibility for their words and actions. That makes a big difference.
Feel free to contact me by email. My address is in my profile. You need not reveal your identity to correspond with me by email.
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Yes I agree that any personal attack on a neighbor’s character is sad and regrettable. In my opinion all such actions, be it satire, patronizing remarks, or direct abuse, is one reason blogs are not good places to take on complex issues.
Early in our nation during the presidential campaign of Jefferson and Adams the "Aurora" newspaper slandered John Adams, they printed outright lies which led Adams to support the restrictions on the press.
"Scottish pamphleteer and scandalmonger named James T. Callender, who wrote for the Aurora and specialized in attacks on John Adams." John Adams, David McCullough p488
Even in a time where it seems that man may have been at their best other men were at their least.
Malcontent is not the product of anonymity but the desires of people who lack the ability to self evaluate and desire to improve themselves every day.
I have seen the same personal attacks on "other" blogs
One concerning rental property where one neighbor was complaining about a fellow blogger who owned the property. The comments where later deleted.
Not having anonymity did not stop this personal attack but if both had had anonymity it would never have happened because they would not have known each other. Only issues would have been able to be talked about.
The problem of baseless personal attacks would be better resolved if there are enforced rules against such actions and a standard set by the administrator adhering to a high level of conduct.
The old saying people shouldn't through rocks that live in glass houses or better yet "why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye?" Luke 6:41
I am not trying to sound overly righteous. I am not nor have I been blameless. I gave my reasons for anonymity and they had nothing to do with hiding or trying to attack anyone. I understand your point we just see things differently.
I have not forgotten about previous topics and the promise to discuss a plan for New Albany. I have been busy. Thanks for the email invite
Sincerely,
Remebercharlemagne
RemChar, quit taking complicated historical examples, over simplifying them, and then slanting them so that all history magically proves your particular point. I could take the same historical characters, selective pick my old facts, and come up with the exact opposite conclusions. Being able to recite a few historical characters’ name and making a few loose analogies does not mean you understand them in context and does not mean your “points” are valid.
Agree with 9:42am! Jameson's always the smartest guy in the room. Didn't you know? Does he know how dumb he sounds half of the time?
It's not really a matter of dumb or smart. It's the inability to have a real conversation with real people.
If you don't know who someone is, you can't trust them. If you can't trust them, there isn't a relationship. If there isn't a relationship, there isn't a community. If there isn't a community, there's no point in any of this.
Unlike Jameson, I’m too old to know everything.
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Sorry you guys don't like historic analogies I only use them as supports of opinion. Are they perfect examples? No but they are close enough. Are they out of context? No, they are parallels and they make valid comparisons.
Am I saying that I am as smart as the historic characters I reference? No not at all. Do I read and look to history or current events so not to repeat the same mistakes, yes I do.
If my analogies are wrong please correct me. If they make me sound stupid then that’s fine with me I understand them.
I guess people did not finish the post because I said that I am not perfect myself
All the analogy was getting at is that slander has been a part of free speech from the beginning.
It was not a direct comparison of this blog’s current dilemma.
I am far from the smartest guy and I never think that I am if I did I wouldn't need analogies or references. People of all different temperaments talents and convictions hold some truth to what they say or belief in and I love listing to all peoples’ point of view.
The "bullies" are back! And this time they are after RemChar...how quickly the tables can turn when threatened with intelligence. It truly is pathetic how IGNORANT some of you can be. He sites history, and you run with your tail tucked between your legs in the other direction. You all know you can't hang with him and it is hilarious every time he puts you in your place. You go RemChar! At least someone around here has some brains!...that's right, I said it..he is smarter than you! And as far as the 1:51 post,
"It's not really a matter of dumb or smart. It's the inability to have a real conversation with real people."
I didn't realize that anyone on here was having a "real" conversation. Looks like a lot of ranting and raving to me.
Looks like Shirley, Roger, Mark, and Chris were having one to me.
Getting back on subject here:
Literally, it would just be a drop in the bucket, but if homes in the higher elevated areas would use rain barrels on their down spouts, it could actually stop a large amount of run off.
I have 110 gallons worth of rain barrels (recycled 55 gallon plastic drums, which can be painted or hidden behind decorative grasses or shrubs)
Each time it rains I get 110 gallons of free, clean clear water for watering my lawn, topping off my water garden, filling bird baths, and small washing jobs around the yard.
Like I said, 110 gallons really isnt alot of water when looking at the big picture, but multiply that times 100's of homes, and it could make a difference, if not in flooding, definately in water conservation and decreased sewage bills. (since sewage bills are based on water usage from the meter).
Give it a thought people, you can get clean pastic 55 gallon drums on the cheap, and for a $10 at ace hardware you can get the stuff to hook it up to your downspouts.
Secondly, it is important that WE, the citizens, make sure that the storm grates near are home are clear of obstructions, and dont sweep your yard clippings, leaves, and such into them!
I must have missed the post. Please somebody tell me. When are Roger and Professor Eric going to debate? I want to see Roger get smashed by the Professor's wit and wisdom. Has to Professor accounced when he'll be putting the hammer on Baylor? I can't wait!
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eric won't debate roger. he's too scared. he's a scared chicken and a pussy!
Here Christopher
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/article/0,,1180779,00.html?xid=hinewsletter-072109-rain-barrels
I wish I knew how to make it link, see I don't know everything but it is a This old house article about rain barrels on how to say money
As a side note, yesterday I refilled my garden pond and bird baths with water from the rain barrels, today as I watch it storming out side it was a good while before water started coming out of the over flow on it.
But, the hose on the main barrel runs over to my bird garden, which has a good layer of gravel under the mulch (to try and keep uneaten seeds from growing).
My neighbors yard is covered in standing water, as is the alley behind my house, but my yard is fine a few puddles here and there and thats about it.
another little water conservation secret I have is in my front yard is a couple sections of pvc pipe sank into the ground with a screen in the bottom, thos pipes lead under my gardens into areas that had been filled with pea gravel before recovered with dirt and planted. to get water deep into the soil.
THese also work well for practicing chip shots with golf balls!
Little steps repeated over many households can make a HUGE difference, and this is how we have to start to think around here, not be reactionary to the governments follies, but proactive for OUR community in situations like this
Remchar:
Thanks for the link info!
Here is a video from TOH on how to install a rain barrel
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/video/0,,20045365,00.html
conservation and prevention are great ideas
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Why is Eric so chicken????
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I accept, and I will debate Roger
what topic can we agree upon
Ya'll couldnt agree that the sky is blue
Hmm, exactly which mask wearer am I debating?
what does it matter
"what does it matter"
I know it! "Never Been to Spain," by Three Dog Night.
I understand your scared
Inside the monthly books remitted to the EPA (located in the basement in the Library, downstairs in the reference area) are places listed requiring signs up listing sewer overflows; required by the EPA. You can see them at the ballpark by the expressway and another obvious one is in front of the McDonalds on Charlestown Rd.
There are 3 such overflows listed at the old New Albany Country Club. The Potty Police went up to the Country Club by crossing the creek across from Marvin's Auto Shop on E 8th. After checking the creek out, we proceeded to climb the opposite creek bank and see if the signs were up on the Country Club as where we went in at there should have been one. We proceeded to climb the opposite bank and popped up at the edge of the NAC. There were a group of golfers and we startled them, as they did us.
We went back shortly thereafter and were surprised they erected a metal fence and cut trees down blocking the creek and access, forever.
Has that creek been cleared of the blockage NAC created deliberately? All we could think of was the horrible flooding down by the Salvation Army and now wonder how hard of a hit those businesses were hit THIS time.
The rest: Without them removing Sanitation, Drainage and now the Stormwater monies are lumped in with the Sewer Funds, the DOJ can put us in a heap of trouble finding out the sewer money has been spent on a lot of other things, like shoring up the General Fund, etc. We do not see how they do the rate increase feasibility study with the finances in the shape they are in.
Hope we helped. BTW, there is nothing that will be able to be done because this was a major event and they do not get in trouble as this was an unusual rain event. Mr. Baylor, did you know your father attended sewer board meetings for six months to a year because HE didn't trust them? Run a check on Sewer Board minutes.
The New Albany Potty Police. You are welcome to attack us and guess which one wrote this because FACTS are FACTS and they cannot be disputed because of documention and pictures. Good luck ALL.
There was a stormwater master plan under Bob Real, which went to England in '82 calling for a major retention basis at the top of the Knobs (Mosier) to help save Linda Drive. Never happened.
Every four years we come up with a new "Stormwater Master Plan" but as of yet, no work done. Glad to see the Stormwater Committee wants to have the Planning Department make sure there are drainage requirements in the Developer's plans, but good luck on that one.
Remember Castlewood was suppose to be a drainage retention area and that got circumvented, also.
The New Albany Potty Police will tell you the City will not get in trouble over this last rain event because it was an "unusual" occurrence, to say the least.
Shirley, you can start by asking Rob Sartell down at the Plant where the stormwater master plan is seeing the City took Drainage away from EMC.
Sorry Roger, we are not in Tell City, though we enjoyed your sarcasm on such! Have a good day!
Excuse the typo, it should read a major retention BASIN. Thanks for your understanding.
Doggone it, left out a major piece of the puzzle. In the monthly booklet submitted to the EPA, Eagle, our subcontractor who goes out during heavy rains states they can never get into WATCO STORAGE. Lucky for us a friend of ours is a cousin to former Sheriff Leland Watkins. He allowed us in and told us he had given Eagle 3 different codes for them to get in and out; they just do not go there. We checked things out and got our pictures and documentation (thank you Mr. Watkins). This would be the same line running down to the former NAC. It's ALL relevant.
Sorry for such a long posting, but evidently Blogger only allows so many words to be published at a time. Thanks Shirley.
3 corrections to our postings. 92 is when England received the stormwater master plan; the reference desk is upstairs at the library and the stormwater master plan should be there, also. Thanks for allowing me the chance to make corrections!
the debate has to be in person.
roger will show up.
will fake eric show?
i'm still waiting.
CLUCK!
I'll show up in person what is the topic
"Mock debate with Roger"
Anon: shampoo is better it cleans the hair
Roger: no conditioner is better it makes the hair silky and smooth
Anon: no shampoo is better!
Roger: no conditioner is better!
eah eah eah err err eeeah
Anon: stop looking at me swan
Roger: swan? I know of a Swan Song
Roger: wait I don't listen to good music I don't know the Swan Song
"i'll show up in person..."
who are you? are you "Eric" the professorless?
"Mr. Baylor, did you know your father attended sewer board meetings for six months to a year because HE didn't trust them? Run a check on Sewer Board minutes."
When was that, anonymous?
Be careful with your answer.
Wow, the minutes would show that the reason he attended was because he didn't trust them? Do the minutes of each board, commission, and council meeting include a guess at the motive of each person attending?
It would have had to be a few years back, for sure. He didn't trust their methods of handing out sewer credits, something to do with land he owned at the time.
I'm not going to do your work, run a search on the Sewer Board minutes. One of the Potty Police members was there with him. No offense I hope to anyone. "Be careful"! Look it up yourself, it's in the minutes, yet not a single comment referencing the history and data you were provided -- SPEAKS VOLUMES.
It speaks volumes that my dad never once owned property in the city of NA, and someone with no name now implies that he did. Other than that, I am without an opinion as to whether the pottified police sat next to him or not.
Just for info:
Many miles of sewer lines are outside the city limits of New Albany. They are owned and controlled by the city utility. Sewer lines run out towards County Line Rd., out Green Valley Rd and up the Knob, and out and up to Highlander Point. Georgetown lines may be owned by Georgetown, but there were discussions about ownership of some of them by developers. Developers & land speculators - don't you just love them?
Sounds like a Metropolitan Sewer District to me. When are they going to annex it all?
CLUCK!
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