The Master Plan outlined in the Tribune looks beautiful and we need to make this happen. However, I wonder what the city plans to do about our horrendous sewer system. There was talk of new and rehabbed buildings and everything sounds beautiful, new, and shiny. But no one seems to mention what's under the streets.
I know human waste is not a pleasant subject but it IS necessary. Has anyone heard what the plans are for fixing our sewers?
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Don't you get it Shirley?
They have NO plans to fix the sewers or the drainage.
They want taxpayers to pay for another parking garage.
We paid for one and I will be damned if I plan to pay for another one.
All they care about is who will make commission on the bonds and whose pocket gets lined.
anon, you're preaching to the choir.
3:26 SIMPLE, APPROPRIATE, AND WINNING STATEMENT.
The city leaders should realize that
New Albany people are hurting with the flooding and drainage problems.
City leaders should be looking for
ways to solve the storm water and drainage problems.
People are losing their furniture and also suffering home damage from
the floods of heavy rain here.
Instead, the city leaders are
pushing for their dreams of more parking garage and benefits to developers.
Their pipe dream of this great new master plan compares to the giant silver balloon that the guy floated in the air to get public attention last week.
Taxpayers should demand that the city leaders come down to earth and see how New Albany people are suffering.
So, did the budget get approved tonight?
yes
Gahan wanted to postpone the vote because two members weren't their K.Z and S.P. everybody else wanted to vote on it and Coffey gave the word. The only no was Gahan. Everything on the agenda that wasn't voted on last meeting was voted on tonight and passed. Gahan was the only one to vote no on all three items.
Thanks, anon.
Good for Gahan. Maybe another Council member has come to his senses.
Surely it was a misprint in todays Tribune on line.
Baylor called Coffey a bully.
Boy that's the kettle calling the pot black.
What's with all this obession with Coffey and Price?
In reference to the drainage problems, one must consider that several of the rain events that have occurred lately had dropped more rain in a couple hours that normally would fall in an entire month.
Efforts to remedy flooding and backflow from such an event would require an complete restructuring of the entire drainage systems, with addition of retention pods, storm water canals to major waterways (Silver Creek and the Ohio). The reactive engineering to meet the demands of the changing precipitation patterns may prove to be fiscally impossible.
Reality is that unfortunately we have destroyed all of the natural buffers that prevent isolated flooding in such situations and have replaced green space with asphalt, low-lying scrubland with concrete parking lots.
Those who live in the lower lying areas below the ridgeline that runs along grant line road and Charlestown road, as a result, will receive millions upon millions of gallons of run off when we get 7 inches of rain in an hour and a half.
I'm sure Roger is tickled pink that you just can't wait to read his column on Thursdays.
Mr. Coffey is a bully of the worst kind. He relishes it and plans it.
Ok it wasnt 7 inches, but the fact remains...
For the records from the NWS Climatology records:
http://www.weather.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=lmk
...RECORD DAILY AND MONTHLY MAXIMUM RAINFALL SET AT LOUISVILLE
KY...
A RECORD RAINFALL OF 4.50 INCHES WAS SET AT LOUISVILLE KY TODAY.
THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 1.72 SET IN 1938. THIS ALSO BREAKS THE
AUGUST RECORD FOR ONE DAY RAINFALL. THE PREVIOUS RECORD WAS 3.76
INCHES SET ON AUGUST 8TH 1879.
RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOUISVILLE KY
0227 AM EDT MON SEP 21 2009
...RECORD DAILY MAXIMUM RAINFALL SET AT LOUISVILLE KY...
A RECORD RAINFALL OF 3.95 INCH(ES) WAS SET AT LOUISVILLE KY
YESTERDAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 3.19 SET IN 1954.
That's why we have the consent degree with EPA, to force the City of New Albany to fix sewers.
Yes we have a consent decree but it is not being enforced.
Don't get me wrong, I love the way downtown has been coming to life. My sister and I went on the Ghost Walk last night and saw a lot of changes that we had not noticed before. She said she rarely went downtown because there was nothing to do but she plans to visit some of the new restaurants and wishes there were more speciality shops.
I am just concerned about the sewage and drainage problems.
My focus is on the drainage issues.
The more we develop what little space is left in the corporate city bounds, the worse the problems will get, period.
A 50 foot by 20 foot storm water retention pond wont do much good if that is created to take care of a 500 yard by 500 yard area that was once scrub or meadow.
Sewage? I have no answer for that, and am not even going to attepmt to go beyond what I know. As the climatology here changes and heavier rains increase in frequency and duration, the sewage is backflowing and getting in our creeks, streams and ponds AFTER the storm drains back up.
saw trib art. clark FLOYD convention center is paying for $240,000 master plan study in clark co. new albany had to scrape together $30,000 or so from donations.
What's with all this obession with Coffey and Price?
what's their obsession with being stupid and running the city into the ground.
coffey and price's advise to their kids:
jr., you gotta save money, don't spend any money ever. don't go to college because that costs money. don't fix your leaky roof because that costs money. no need to invest in your future. no need to fix problems today you can put off till tomorrow. don't look to the future. just focus on what's easiest and cheapest today.
If some of you had your way, the only money spent would be spent downtown.
Hey, what about the rest of us?
We need work in our areas.
downtown benefits everyone. everyone shops there. people from all over town work there. investments downtown benefit the whole city.
How does it benefit the city? Tax abatements, min. wage jobs. Where's all this new revenue. I went by several places the last two nights. Only one doing real business was Wicks.
Only one doing real business was Wicks.
Now "anonymous" knows how to judge the profitability of restaurants and bars by looking at them from the street. With geniuses like this, who needs enemas?
Anon must not have been past Toast, Conners Place, BSB, Market Street Fish House, The Grand, Jackson Seafood, New Albany Diner, Lancasters Cafeteria, The furniture stores, The Y, Jimmy's music center....Or else it was late sunday evening....
For the first time I can remember it can be hard to find a parking place when its not harvest homecoming.
Man, Wick's is PACKED! Looks like repaving that sidewalk was one helluva good investment.
Don't tell Ms. Denhart's Citizens for Stopping Investments in Our Future that this guy's getting economic incentives. She'll write every congressman and councilman to stop these new economy, high tech jobs from coming to New Albany.
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091026/NEWS02/910260352
The latest FOS slop talks about the supposed need for accountability (what else?). The latest example is Linden Meadows.
Let's do the math, "Professor." You claim that with two inspection people, there should be no problems are linden meadows.
You forget that during the entire construction phase at LM, there was ONLY ONE inspector, Pam.
How many houses do you expect Pam to inspect each month? There are approximately 15,000 houses and commercial buildings in New Albany. Pam works 50 weeks a year and 40 hours a week, or 2000 hours a year.
If she visits each NA house ONCE every three months, that is 15,000 buildings divided by 500 work houses, or one building every two minutes.
That's doable if she's only supposed to drive by. It's not doable if you expect her to go inside.
Can you see mold by driving by? Can you see a leaky basement from driving by? Insulation?
Santa Clause can visit the inside of thousands of houses a night. Do you expect Pam to slide down chimneys too?
Tell me Oh Wise Professor, exactly how often do you expect Pam to visit each house?
Most cities the size of New Albany have at least a dozen inspectors. If code inspectors have anything to do with the LM issues, it's because there are too few inspectors in New Albany to do the job.
I think FOS was talking about building inspectors in the article.
I believe that when a house is rehabbed, there is an inspection at each level of completion. The electrical, the plumbing, the HVC, are checked before the building is completed. With all of these inspections while the property is unfinished, someone should have noticed mold and the lack of insulation.
I have never personally built or rehabbed a home but the ones we purchased were inspected for termites, building codes, etc. before the final papers were signed.
I have never personally built or rehabbed a home but the ones we purchased were inspected for termites, building codes, etc. before the final papers were signed.
But that was a bank requirement, not a city requirement.
I support a rule that all properties be inspected, but he have no such rule.
If the Bank (PNC) failed to do its own inspections, then they are at least a little to blame too.
A few of these Linden Meadows homes are occupied. Does anyone know what condition they are in? Are these homeowners stuck in unsafe homes? If so, what recourse to they have?
11:13 This just shows your ignorance to the LM issue. How many Building Inspectors does New Albany have? Pam was a code enforcement officer not a building inspector. And another thing Community Bank did three loans and was bought out by PNC Bank because they had found out about questionable practices at LM.
Instead of attack FOS maybe you should learn how to read.
The questions everyone should be asking is this:
How much money did the City of New Albany invest in this project?
Why would our city want to invest anymore $ in this project. Have they never heard of cutting their losses like Erik wrote?
Who would want to pay over $130,000 for these dump, rotten, lead painted, delapidated homes?
Why is someone not held accountable for millions of dollars, let alone stick homes in a flood prone area.
Anyone read todays Tribune about CHDO?
Do the math folks, $1 million to PNC Bank, $1.7 Million to redue, then find out what our city spent on them and add in HUD money and see what you come up with.
Then you ask yourself this question:
Where did all that money go?
I recommend everyone ride out and see LM and see for yourself.
I applaud Freedom Of Speech for questioning this entire project.
"Erik"
Ha!
See the CJ story today about the Ghost Hunter in New Albany? Did he find Erik?
Actually, sweetie, it was not Community Bank but National City.
Actually, the state has an offer on the table right now for well over $130,00.
Actually, "Erik" has a lot of his "facts" wrong.
Maybe "Erik" should learn to think.
The Consent Decree REQUIRES our sewers to be able to handle a 100 year flood, you do the math.
Concerning the LM project, Bono Road residents begged for the houses to be moved to their location, but NO, we had to take a perfectly good neighborhood park and create another SLUM area.
The Deputy Mayor claims he and the Mayor are trying to get the Building Inspectors, etc., in order. This pertains to a recent article about the lack of inspections at LM. I ask you, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE?
If you take the monies involved in Linden Meadows and put it back towards THE PARK they took from the residents in that area, it sure would be one heck of a park.
New Albany always seems to put the horse before the cart. The latest article out of Indy REALLY upsets me. They actually want to give Cities the right to implement local income tax options therefore bypassing County governments. Wonder who's baby this one is?
With Indiana American wanting to raise our water rates by 38%; England wanting to raise our sewer rates by ?; the City wanting to throw good monies after bad with the LM project; I see nothing but a bleak future for any of New Albany.
With drainage issues, you need to be looking and holding accountable the Officials now in office. Retention ponds which were to be built; sewers which were to be fixed by our fabulous new plant; blah. Simply sign me up as DISGUSTED.
I applaud the new businesses in downtown New Albany. I simply hope they can afford to remain open what with all of the underlying costs of TRYING TO DO BUSINESS downtown.
Thank you, Shirley, for a place and space for me to VENT my thoughts, as nicely as I can. I feel much better and do not care anymore how the "officials" downtown feel about anything.
BTW, people who know Mr. Coffey personally may feel the same way a lot of people do. Steve Price is my Council person and is a decent human being. Everytime you attack him, you attack the voters who elected him to office. My, that would be A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU ARE UPSETTING. Ever thought about that?
There is a difference between being a "decent human being" and being qualified to be a councilman. Or there ought to be.
I won't dispute Mr. Price being a decent human being. I even think that he is probably a pretty nice guy--outside of the council chambers.
Amen bro, you called it the way many see it. I'm still figuring out how he even got elected.
Wonder how much those two surgeries cost? Carrying all them kickbacks in his deep pockets surely caused his back trouble, and trying to keep a straight face when he lied to all of us, surely had to have hurt his neck.
Put them pain polls he likes to pop, no wonder he's in the shape he's end. My granny always told me sometimes it's hard to remember all the lies, when you tell them to every other person you might run into.
Ha! Me thinks he is afraid to LEAD with the corruption in the town. 2 much of a chance someone may go to jail, LOL! Is that why Carl M. is trying to do the lead?
As the Tribune stated a long time ago re the parking garage now in place where they talked about Carl and England - the Momma and Poppa of same. My child asked me, after reading same article, which one is the "Momma" and which one is the "Poppa". LOL
History, History, History...
OK "Erik," you claim the city "threw money" at LM. How much? Exclude tap fees because they don't cost the city anything out of pocket. Really, how much did the city put into LM?
If you're going to accuse someone of being "crooked," show some type, any type of evidence of corruption.
Don't you think it's time you show us the FBI tapes you've had for years?
Didn't LM start before England took office? Yet Coffey and Price were in office the whole time.
85% of the budget goes to police and fire because the other 15% should be closer to 50%. even if you keep police and fire the same, if you shrink everything else, pretty soon police and fire will be 100%.
I think an audit is pass due. Let the cards fall and let's see what happens.
$3.5 stimulus going to Georgetown for a new sewer plant. Now they can pay the City of New Albany the $450,000 they owe us. Get rid of Carl and Kay then lay the rest off.
Latest FOS slop is that "we democrats" at FOS will not be voting for the democrat for state rep.
That's maybe the funniest thing I've ever read. Fake Erik is a fake dem. Maybe she's finally starting to admit she's a republican.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HILLARY. We HATE democrat Obama for his policies and LOVE Clinton for her policies, even though they're the same.
Yeah, LM is one of Carl's great ideas, with CHODO formed under him. Give him all the kudos.
Don't you read the newspapers where Doug said he would be going to jail if the sewers were not fixed? This information was great FODDER for the Pub's in a debate at IU.
History, my friend, history. Facts, not fiction. Read the past years of Trib; you will figure it out, LOL. We do not need FBI tapes to prove anything. Hide your head in the sand, LOL.
The best thing concerning Carl M., his position was NEVER APPROVED by the City Council. Can anyone, and I mean anyone, explain that little nugget? Can any of us walk in and become the Deputy Mayor...it gets deeper and deeper. Crooks who give the public no credit for having knowledge of any sorts and play us all for fools. And you wonder why we think they are "illegal" downtown. Some of you need to go sit in a corner.
I truly thought Doug had met his match in Baylor; but it's obvious this is not the case, LOL! Night.
Carl didn't invent CHDOs. HUD did. Many, many, many cities have them and they work.
I think "Erik" is saying that New Albany should never try anything that has worked in another city unless it's already been done here too.
am i reading this right? jeffersonville's budget is $25 million?
they have 10,000 fewer people and almost twice the budget?
i don't think they pay any more in taxes.
what gives?
No one said Carl "invented" CHODO. Keep trying to twist the words seeing it was his baby and under his supervision. Carl, are we talking to u personally?
As they say: Don't shoot the messenger, and personally I say to Freedom Of Speech keep ot comin, your doing one hell of a job!
Thanks Mr. Clere, would Shane Gibson had stepped up to the plate?
Hell NO, he's to busy playing dumb pretty boy.
Your right Dan S. I read your posting on NAC and Roger has a double standard. Do as I say, not as I do.
For once in my life I agree with you Mr. S.
Yawn.
More evidence of NA as irony-free-zone: An anonymous coward agrees with DS that my blog's anonymity policy is a double standard.
Take off your mask, and as LBJ said, let's reason together. But that wouldn't be this terminally deficient burg, would it?
Steve Price is my Council person and is a decent human being. Everytime you attack him, you attack the voters who elected him to office. My, that would be A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU ARE UPSETTING. Ever thought about that?
Thought about what? How maybe they deserve upsetting because of the extremely poor choice they made?
Why, yes. I certainly HAVE thought about that.
Economy grew in third quarter 2009, first time in two years. Can't blame recession on Obama. He's only been in office for 9 months. Thank you Pres. Obama for working hard to fix Bush's mess.
I just spoke to the ghostbuster from Bordon. He found some strange readings around Country Club Dr. but not evidence of a Professor yet.
And here we see earlier you agreeing with an "anon". YAWN.
Price has every right to disagree with the administration about the finances. As Benedetti says, and Gahan, give us monthly printouts of the money and the uses of same. The admin is suppose to do that, but no, then you wouldn't have anything to gripe about. Yawn.
Has anyone seen the state audit report released this week for the City? OMG
When the city won't give out the financial information, guess you wait until the state comes to you!
Pray tell, what did they say now?
why do you need the state to audit when you have the CIA tapes showing the secret meeting?
sounds like you have proof of a big, fat ball of nothing.
As we helped create the State Access Counselor's position (some of us are proactive), let's allow the time for that office to decide whether there was an illegal meeting. Can you hold your horses for that inquiry to be completed? Maybe not, it is too easy being in bed with 'em, huh?
Look forward to seeing the audit published on FOS. As a taxpayer, you simply put your name on a list and pay for same. The numbers won't lie!
Ask Roger Baylor what the report says. If he watches the Council so very closely, then you KNOW he has to follow the money! That's obviously the most important thing. Why waste your time on anything else. Expect to see him do an article in the TRIBUNE on the audit and the budgets.
link to report
http://www.in.gov/sboa/WebReports/B34980.pdf
Now, that's funny!!! As if he could even understand government financials. It's obvious he thinks business and governmental finances are the same, thus his lack of credibility blasting anyone!
I'm with you, Anonymous. Roger knows nothing!
When I want unbiased information about government finances, what name is more trusted than Anonymous?
I looked at the report. WHERE'S THE SMOKING GUN?????
This was a very limited "audit." More of a road map to improving internal controls.
The document itself states:
This report is intended solely for the information and use of the City's management, the Common
Council, and federal awarding agencies and pass-through entities and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone other than these specified parties.
The report does state that internal controls should be improved, but that's about it.
Show me the smoking gun, PROFESSOR!
$500,000+ unaccounted for, $9+ million in receipts and $2+ million in expenses not recorded in the records, $300,000+ in overpayments, $6+ million in overdrawn cash balances, $3.3million spent over budget.
yea, looks like it is just some minor bookeeping errors found from a limited audit.
That's right - the report is for the USE of the City Council. Now let's see how THEY use it!!!
As for the 'smoking gun' - where do you think it is pointed?
(Guess some people need those history lessons in order to know what all those statements really mean).
well gee whiz wally, if this report is so damn damning, why isn't england in prison? oh wait, maybe it's not damning. maybe we believe what the report says, especially the part about it not being a full audit. or maybe the part where it says they didn't dig deep. or maybe we believe the part where it says it made no attempt to check things out because that's what the report was supposed to do. gee whiz, it's almost like there's no smoking gun here at all. maybe that's why england's not in jail.
where does Erik teach again?
and where did he get his CPA?
Stunned, but not surprised. Our Controller use to do a heck of a job under England's last admin, but, even with Ron Carroll's help looks like we screwed up again.
Wait and see what happens with this. 73 pages and I could only get through 37 so far. Wonder if the police and fire understand how their pensions are outrageously underfunded.
Having worked for the Federal government with financials I clearly understand numbers in parenthesis and saw department heads lose their jobs.
Alas, I also feel there is a lack of understanding of the terminology in this report and a lack of caring about the state of the City's finances or else no one could state what has been stated here.
BTW, thank you for the link.
Now tell me again, there is NO such thing as CFA? Then would someone explain why 85 people and Mike Sodrel's brother attend tonight's meeting?
Boy do they have a surprise for Mayor England.
Roger is to drmb to read a city financials. Guess they'll nail the city for Baylor's patio next years audit.
We all know there's a CFA. CFA's webpage has been getting dozens of hits a day.
citizens-for-accountability.blogspot.com
explain why 85 people and Mike Sodrel's brother attend
WOW! Real live people AND Sodrel's brother. I always suspected those Sodrels were aliens but it's good to know the professor checked under the skirt. Thanks Erik!
Remember Bill Clinton's brother, Roger Clinton? Does Sodrel's brother sing too?
How did 85 people know to show? Did they get the CFA newsletter or did they visit the CFA website? Maybe CFA staff called. Was it at CFA headquarters? Did all 85 people AND the alien decide to lynch Baylor or are you just going to burn him in effigy?
Hanging out with the Sodrels now? When's the professor going to admit that he's a Republican.
On which two policies do Hillary and Sodrel agree?
What's C.F.A.'s plan for new jobs?
What does C.F.A. plan on doing to bring in new employers?
What does C.F.A think should be done to reduce crime?
To ANON at 12:21 -- none of the things mentioned would be CFA's responsibilty. Isn't the reason the Administration is in power?
Twist and turn, twist and turn. We (me, personally) are tired of which ever city employee keeps trying to deviate from real issues on this blog and the citizens' real questions -- hey, but what else is new, LOL?
Here are a couple of ideas. Did you read in the financials how much EDIT has to be paid to the sewers to keep them self sufficent? And England needs a raise in the rates BECAUSE?
This reminds me of shooting fish in a barrel. Keep on twisting.
How many times have I read SOME PEOPLE want EDIT out of the sewers. If you read the Audit the monies are pledged to 2023. I personally enjoyed that part, because it shows the lack of knowledge of a lot of people who talk about things they know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT.
Please answer my question about Carl's position not being approved by the Council. I would think anything he has done and/or performed is illegal. No matter what. And on and on it goes.
The crickets are chirping, it's so quiet.
Anybody heard how much money the "mini" audit found missing in city accounts? You know, from a reputable source. Say, Charlie Pride. The same one that Erika has on speed dial at the state.
According to Daniel Suddeath of the Tribune, Mr. Pride says NO money is missing from city accounts. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Also, record keeping problems are mostly because we have been penny wise & pound foolish by not upgrading our systems. Basically this means, "NO" has been part of the problem--not part of the solution.
The report was for the council's use. I guess we see how they'll use it.
Anything else, Erika?
Has anyone noticed those shitty green signs are fading? Boy did Pete see those guys coming.
Guess Rogers business is falling off. He's cut his hours, and of course he's over priced his menu.
Why do you all continue to blame Erik for everything? England's the screw up and not Erik.
Geez louiseeeeee
What did England screw up? Nobody wants to raise any taxes and the city is broke because of it. No money is missing, it's all a bunch of crap.
Wow more people hate Roger then I realized, I'm starting to feel sorry for him.
That is a good point, if you bash elected officials you're bashing the people who voted them in. What a great way to make enemies.
Did you decided to tap into the Rouge because of what I said earlier or was that already planned out?
One thing I have learned after reading these local blogs for the past couple of months is; don't be an ass because it will come back to haunt you. Especially if you are a business owner, and trying to set a course for a small town.
Let us see. The admin wants to leave Georgetown's monies on the table and raise our sewer rates????
How many times was it mentioned in the audit there was a lack of documentation backing up the claims?
How much are the fire and police pensions in the hole? It is past my grasp seeing it was in the 100's of percentile.
The Council could of used monthly figures rather than trying to figure out what has been going on now.
The Council has every reason to be wary of anything because they DO NOT HAVE THE FIGURES GIVEN TO THEM, AS REQUIRED BY LAW.
And you WANT to say record keeping is lacking because of the Council?? GIVE ME A BREAK. You literally have me rolling out of my chair. Ignorance is bliss; keep those heads buried in the sand; you know, like the ostrict.
There are none of those as blind as the ones who do not want to see.
We CAN READ and figure out what the Audit reflects unlike what u r claiming, LOL. Reading comprehension is where it's at, duh. As far as I'm concerned, a bunch of you are the naysayers, not us.
Hilarious!
I guess that gate swings both ways.
My favorite Charlie Pride song is "Kiss an Angel Good Morning," except I don't believe in angels. Because they don't exist. Like Prof. Erik.
LOL, wee ones.
Who in the hell is professor Erik?
Why do you constantly talk about the same people all of the time using the same statements over and over again? That sh** gets old.
Can't you be as creative on here as you are in your columns? Well, I guess the first few times it was creative and then it became old as well.
Make some funny sci-fi comment about Erik next time, so that it is more entertaining to read.
Kind of like I did with the bald headed guy in Star Wars.
Those sh**'s were funny!
I'm sorry for saying poop a lot, it's just funny.
The gate does not swing both ways in governmental financing.
I agree with anon, your going ons about Professor Eric is really getting old. Sort of like both of us, lol.
Who said monies were missing? Maybe misappropriated and misspent without the Council's permission. England and his crew do not control the monies, but in reality they do by bypassing the Council and not providing real figures.
Glad to see England has been helping you brew the beer! Everyone knows he's not doing his job, thus the delegation of all duties to Carl.
I personally love the real Charlie Pride, up in Indy. A person in government doing his job the best he can. More power to him.
Read on in the audit. I've gone from page 37 to 50. It takes some digesting which in turn causes me to have indigestion, sort of like you, New Albanian.
Knowing you will be pleased you create the reaction in me, I would hope it doesn't snow on your parade in November. :)
FF, we have the same response to "Erik" because "Erik" keeps making the same wild, illogical, unsupported, slanderous, hateful claims and allegations, again, and again, and again, and again......
To ANON at 12:21 -- none of the things mentioned would be CFA's responsibilty. Isn't the reason the Administration is in power?
So you're just going to claim again and again that the administration is doing a bad job even though you don't have any better ideas (and don't have any real evidence of wrongdoing).
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, especially when you're anonymous.
I personally enjoyed that part, because it shows the lack of knowledge of a lot of people who talk about things they know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT.
Like your knowledge of tax abatements?
New jobs, employment and reducing crime are the CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. Like it or not. We certainly pay the police and the admin enough to do all 3.
Broken record...
New jobs, employment and reducing crime are the CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. Like it or not. We certainly pay the police and the admin enough to do all 3.
Broken record...
So you're saying you have no clue what the Mayor and police SHOULD be doing. You know a result you'd like to see, but you can't tell anyone how to get there because you have no plan.
This all stinks of an announcement forthcoming of another bid for council or mayor by some previously failed candidates, who started all of this kind of stuff before the last elections.
Its time to stop griping and time to start doing.
Pointing fingers and shaking trumped up pieces of "paper" accomplishes nothing, never has, never will, not in this town, not in any.
This is a fundamental problem with this city. Too many armchair politicians claiming to have this on this person, that on another person, exclaiming this is wrong, and thats illegal.
All the while not once, NEVER, offering any insight as to what they would do differently or suggestions of how to fix the problems.
Pretty much the entire state is leaving us behind in wide spread economic development, funding, grants, parks and rec, and here we sit, for the most part, with the exception of one area in town, being stagnant.
Why is that I wonder?
Could it be that a small group of people took interest in that area of town and took action, did more than just talk and gripe?
People, quit all of the anonymous bashing, all the finger pointing from behind the curtains, and come forward with what you claim to have, come forward with ideas, solutions, suggestions, and put all of this negativity to bed.
It is embarrassing to the city, it is embarrassing to its citizens, and it gets read.
It gets read by potential developers, families that may consider moving here, and people who may want to try and make a difference and they see all of this crap and decide its not worth it.
If you people care even the slightest bit for this city, and its future, then you will stop this damaging petty crap.
Have some pride in the city, take on ONE subject that means the most to you, where you actually have experience and knowledge to make a difference, and let some one else take care of the other things.
Otherwise this will remain one assbackwards, cluster F@#k of a city because people are too busy calling others names, and trying to pick fights, instead of helping to paint a house, plant a tree, picking up trash, or offering realistic, helpful ideas to turn this place around.
Now, be a good anonymous horde and start bashing me and remind me of how ashamed my father would be of me, and how if i knew what was smart I would just shut up.
Oh and dont forget the emails from the hotmail accounts reminding me of the biblical passage that he who keepeth his mouth, keepeth his life....
Wont bother me one bit, I got better things to do like continue to foster the Pileated Woodpeckers who has started visiting my part of town again.........
To the contrary, I take no joy from elicting reactions from anonymous cowards. Pity is closer to the mark.
yes we agree we do pity you R
I'd like to thank all of you for reading, even if it has become old.
And: I don't do "science fiction" because I don't much enjoy it. Sorry. The Vickster does fiction, but there's no science in it.
Why continue to try to beat up Erik at FOS and CFA? Seems like to me, they are only presenting the facts. I wonder how long FOS has had the audit? I guess they now have earned and deserve bragging rights to now say "they told you so." I faithfully read FOS and look forward to each posting.
For those of you in total denial, misappropriation of tax payers money is against Indiana State Law.
Is England in deep dog do? Let's see what Erik has to say about it.
Why continue to try to beat up Erik at FOS and CFA? Seems like to me, they are only presenting the facts. I wonder how long FOS has had the audit? I guess they now have earned and deserve bragging rights to now say "they told you so." I faithfully read FOS and look forward to each posting.
For those of you in total denial, misappropriation of tax payers money is against Indiana State Law.
Is England in deep dog do? Let's see what Erik has to say about it.
Christopher D "All the while not once, NEVER, offering any insight as to what they would do differently or suggestions of how to fix the problems".
Suggestions: TELL THE TRUTH AND STOP THE SHELL GAMES WITH TAXPAYERS MONEY!!!
Have you considerated getting help for this obsession Baylor? I think you need serious counciling but I am sure your wife has already told you this.
You have a double standard on your own blog and then continue to make everything personal on this blog.
You continue to call people cowards and continue to attack Price, Coffey, Freedom Of Speech, CFA, and you even attacked Ms. Denhart at a meeting and all along she seems to be one of the few who has been right.
If you don't like these people that is your right and choice.
But you have no right to continue to call them liars and attack them on this blog and etc.I am shocked Shirley continues to allow this.
You talk about debating people. It is obvious you don't know much about audit's or accountability.
Beer YES, Audits NO.
FOS's "evidence of wronging" is a much a lie as the existence of a professor erik.
too bad cfa/fos's lone lonely creator is too damn stupid to understand all the data s/he quotes.
hey fos, if it's so clear that england violated the law, why haven't you taken this evidence to the FBI's unit that investigates government corruption? why haven;t charges been filed?
I KNOW WHY!
because anyone and everyone who knows ANYTHING AT ALL about this shit, who understands the laws, who knows evidence when s/he sees it and BS when s/he sees it knows one thing.
FOS/CFA has NOTHING. NOTHING! NOTHING!
shirley tries to have a reasonabe blog but every post ends up with comments saying the exact same thing. the comments always go:
where's the proof, erik?
why, it's on page 33 of the audit.
but erik, it says on page one it's NOT an audit, and it says on page two not to use it for that purpose, and page 33 doesn't say what you claim it says.
well, look on page 44, it says england's a crook.
page 44 doesn't say that either.
well, then look at page 55. yeah, 55 is the smoking gun. england's going to jail.
page 55 is blank!
you lie! page 55 says he's a crook. you're just in his back pocket!
such silliness.
the most stupid part of all this is that the anonymous poster still thinks anyone at all thinks there's a real professor typing up all this stuff.
if you're so damn stupid as to think WE THINK there's professor named "erik" who lives in new albany and who types up all these rants in poor grammar with every third word misspelled, a professor who doesn't teach at any local university, who refuses to give his name or address, who refuses to be seen in public or say where he teaches, if you think we believe that, then you'll believe anything. you'll even believe everyone is corrupt in some vast conspiracy.
i do like CFA's website.
that denhart sure has mastered satirical writing.
Amen, whomever. LOL. Love it, you could not have said it better! Thanks.
And, who in the hey said England was going to jail? I haven't read FOS's blog, only going by the editorial wrote by Shirley and the comments posted within same.
You absolutely sound like someone downtown who has everything to lose and nothing to gain!
I hadn't even read your comment until I read the last two comments. Simply amen-ing the person who wrote about FOS and whom you may think you are fooling, LOL.
Fascinating, ABSOLUTELY, fascinating.
AND, I thought the "Professor" didn't know how to write; such an oxymoron, but with blinders on I am betting you don't even recognize.
Dream ON. Nite. Sweet Dreams. LOL, LOL, LOL. (And I'm not even a mean person; it is again like shooting fish in a barrel; like New Albanian's beer barrels.)
YOU DO KNOW THIS IS NOT PERSONAL, DON'T YOU?????
You all talk about grammar, you must of not read Someone's in the kitchen with Chole.
Again a double standard here.
I am having trouble finding the CFA website. Can someone please help. No jokes please.
thanks
google "citizens for accountability new albany." it's the first one that comes up.
citizens-for-accountability.blogspot.com
i hear CFA staff is interviewing professor erik for the next story.
stay tuned!
You all talk about grammar, you must of not read Someone's in the kitchen with Chole.
Again a double standard here.
How can you type a quote by Price without typing incorrect grammar in between the quotation marks?
My entire family reads that CFA website every day and twice on Sunday. It is so good and says exactly what we feel.
LMAO.
I would like to thank everyone who attended this morning's Citizens Faux Accountability breakfast. The turnout of 8,500 people really tells the story. Esteemed Professor Erik 2X was the keynote speaker. Even if you disagree with him, you have to admire someone who can come out in public when so grossly deformed by Elephant Man disease. Too bad he's deaf and mute too. I'm sure he had some good points. Look forward to meeting you again, Erik!
Whoa, really? 8,500?
Man, that's a lot of Rally's breakfast sandwiches ... hmm, could be a column idea.
My wife and I just read some outstanding journalism over on Freedom Of Speech. You sure have to give Erik credit for being on top of city issues and creative writing.
No wonder FOS is New Albany's #1 blog.
1:11 anon, Priceless.
If you can Drake, Mark, Gillenwater and Baylor, how about arguing the facts of England misappropriation,budget problems and lack of leadership.
Or aren't the facts on your side?
Vicki, other than you, who else is on Prof. Erik's FOS staff? Since he's deaf/mute, do you write the article too, or are you just his person nurse? Will you prop him up on the porch this evening to scare away little trick-or-treaters? You don't seem like the warm fuzzy kind who'd like to have kids around.
Anon: October 31, 2009 1:28 PM
"If you can Drake, Mark, Gillenwater and Baylor, how about arguing the facts of England misappropriation,budget problems and lack of leadership.
Or aren't the facts on your side?"
I could give two poops less anymore to be honest with you. so much negativity, so much blind hatred, and so much anonymous bashing.
Said that a while back, CFA and FOS can have the mess they are making of the politics in this city. They can have all the fun they want trying to get every inch of progress shut down because they are pissed off about losing elections, or not getting their chosen ones in.
I have good friends on both sides of this, and I am NOT staying in the middle of it.
Politics for me now consists of being a good steward of the environment, trying to preserve greenspace for the urban wildlife, whom we have destroyed nearly all of their natural habitat, and teaching people that because you live in the city does not mean you can not enjoy and have nature around.
All of the stories about crime, corruption, misappropriations, etc honestly doesnt matter too much to me, after all, my life has not significantly changed one bit in the last 4 administrations, and not likely to do so in the next 4.
The Tribune won't spin the audit "story" because there is no story. If you read all the disclaimers in the document, it's clear that it was very limited in scope and looking more at procedures than any particular past actions.
I guess when you really, really want to believe there's corruption, when you believe it so much you'll make up a professor, make up a faux group, and rant angry speeches at city council meetings, when you want to believe soooooo badly that there is corruption, you'll take anything as "proof" you are correct.
My wife and I just read some outstanding journalism over on Freedom Of Speech.
Yes, I hear FOS is getting a Pulitzer Prize.
Just like Diane's getting an award for Government Ethics and Steve is getting an award for Elocution.
Personally, we don't understand how New Albanian has time to do all of his rants in the Trib, his writing for Leo, his studies on City government, his brewing at two places in NA, his time checking this blog, his blog, FOS blog and the CFA blog.
We can multi-task, but we also think he has a lot of help in his diatribe (no offense).
Personally, we feel the diatribe against Price will do nothing but spur on a bigger turnout in votes for Price. Hang in there OUR Council person.
Go New Albany.
Trib story's up about Audit:
"Charles Pride, supervisor of the State Board of Accounts, said there was no money believed to be missing."
When will FOS issue an apology?
When will FOS announce that the state auditor is helping England steal money from New Albany?
HAHAHA
You know that $98,000 building the city bought. Remember how the insurance company gave the city over $200,000 when the roof blew off? The city can give it away and still come out on top. I'm sure Coffey and Price and their imaginary friend "Erik" will have something to complain about with the city's $100,000 hurricane windfall.
Congressional Budget Office estimates that the health care bill currently in the House would reduce the deficit by $100 billion over the next decade.
Will "Erik" tell me how he's a better accountant than CBO?
If we tell you it was all Hillary's idea, will FOS support it?
Give me a break. The City should have INSPECTED THE BUILDING and found the deficiences in same. SOS.
Happy Halloween Everyone.
Never happy, never happy.
England's purchase nets the city $114,000 and still unhappy.
Must not be fun to be so full of blind hate.
Watch out, FOS is calling for a special prosecutor! Can't tell us what laws were broken, can't show us evidence, but you know, the witch hunt worked on Clinton, the White Water investigation turned up a BJ or two from Monica. Surely a special investigator eventually will find some imperfection with England, even if it takes five years and a million in attorneys fees!
The Trib won't spin the audit, but check out this spin on Prof. Erik's hobby.
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/anonymous_philanthropist_donates
Maybe it was an inside job. Who do we know who works at the hospital?
And now we find out the City circumvented the Council to buy same. We feel you are full of the hate.
BTW, the City bought a completely new computer system in 2002 for approximately $700,000 under Overton, as the books were mentioned and under scrutiny big time. Same old story about unable to do Bank recon, and knowing same is one of the easiest parts of computer financials -- We simply do not buy the story about the computers. 2 many unanswered questions and why didn't the Tribune mention the Police's shortfalls in their pensions?
Too many questions and we are not looking to the Progressives for answers.
Council will be bombarded with calls from their constituents and we urge everyone to call their own rep. Thanks, Shirley. Some have worked so hard over the years trying to clean up the mess from years gone by and we can see now --failed attempts.
Hey, Anon 2:16, let them hide their heads in the sand. The facts and BS being spewed against most of us will be what bites them come election time.
What goes around comes around.
Do not worry about past efforts and feeling you failed. You haven't. The admin has let us all down once again.
Go Clere.
computers in 2002? well gee whiz, who gets new software every 7 years?
Software wasn't mentioned; old clunkers were.
Keep spinning.
Yesterday, someone anonymous decided to unintentionally commend my work habits (no offense):
Personally, we don't understand how New Albanian has time to do all of his rants in the Trib, his writing for Leo, his studies on City government, his brewing at two places in NA, his time checking this blog, his blog, FOS blog and the CFA blog.
We can multi-task, but we also think he has a lot of help in his diatribe (no offense).
I'll repeat for those of you short on comprehension skills: If you see my name alongside it, I wrote it. If my name is not alongside it, I didn't write it.
It's really simple. What I don't understand is why the wee ones keep making it difficult. Leads me to believe that misrepresenting reality is all they really have.
Writing left over from highschool?
Just kidding, LOL.
Reality bites, thus the drinking and the sobering up part.
Be safe.
It is called giving the Devil His Dues.
You can say what you want, but you can't argue with the facts on Freedom Of Speech's City Audit. The Tribune did exactly what Erik said they would do: blame it on outdated software and the computer system.
No one in this city should be above the law, not even Mayor England or Controller Kay Garry.
I was just checking out the agenda for tonight's council meeting. Looks like it's going to be a long and drawn out one tonight. I'll be taking extra note paper. Should be interesting though.
BTW the REAL CFA does not have a website as of yet. The posting about all of the hits was someone's idea of a joke.
No more a joke then Denhart's faux organization.
If CFA wants to do something to clean up the mess in our local politics they should consider buying some bath soap for their esteemed leader. I can not believe that some one as upstanding a Shirley can support those liars on even the lowest of levels. Mrs. Baird’s credibility is getting severely damaged by condoning the behavior exhibited here by the CFA "members". That too will be remembered during election time, but when you lie down with the dogs, you are apt to get fleas as well.
FOS has mistated the audit and has tried to make it into something it is not. It's no smoking gun. The state auditor himself said he didn't see that any money was missing. I guess it's just a conspiracy that everyone in the state is in on, everyone except the professor. I would have told him about the conspiracy but he won't give me his mailing address or email address.
"You just wait and see when that audit comes out..."
blah blah blah
Faux Accountability is the name.
Here’s some “smoking gun” slop from FOS:
During 2008, the City paid expenses in the amount of $5,834 from the General Fund for flowers, membership and sponsorship fees, scholarships, meals, awards, lodging for "Breakfast at the Brickyard," and Christmas cards.
The City considered these expenses to be promotional and economic development purposes. These expenses were paid from the following General Fund departments and appropriations:
Mayor - Economic development - $2,727.00
Mayor - Miscellaneous supplies - $59.00
Mayor - Travel....... - $335.00
City Clerk - Misc. Office
Supplies ......... - $102.00
City Council - Misc. supplies..- $150.00
Board of Works - ...... - $2,461.00
________________________________
Total .......... $5,834.00
Visit the Breakfast at the Brickyard website. Tickets are only $60. It’s a Mayor’s networking event put on by the Indianapolis Mayor. Is it wrong for England to network with other Mayors? Maybe he’ll get a good idea or two of what’s working in other cities?
Same for Christmas Cards and Flowers. There are always businesses looking to locate somewhere. Is it wrong for the Mayor to send a Christmas gift to a CEO of a business that’s thinking of investing here and employing people here? Personal relationships matter in business. CFA objects to giving incentives to businesses locating here. Does that mean you can’t buy $50 in flowers too?
G-I-V-E M-E A B-R-E-A-K.
Miscellaneous supplies are prohibited too? Sorry council members, the Mayor doesn’t need a damn resolution from the council to buy a stapler. I hope and pray Coffey tries to sue the Mayor on this. That will finally be Coffey’s undoing.
Nothing will be Coffey’s undoing, nothing. He is being tugged around on a leash by the members of CFA, and who would dare to go up against a chain smoking, retired, senior citizen, who has the freedom to make up what she wants about people, put it all over the internet, in news papers, and to be supported and defended by once credible members of our community?
Total .......... $5,834.00
Apparently EVERYONE is in on the conspiracy, all 37,000 New Albany citizens and the state auditor. How about I just let Professor Erik in on the conspiracy, give him his share of the bounty, and call it even?
Where should I mail his 15 cents?
Total .......... $5,834.00
Apparently EVERYONE is in on the conspiracy, all 37,000 New Albany citizens and the state auditor. How about I just let Professor Erik in on the conspiracy, give him his share of the bounty, and call it even?
Where should I mail his 15 cents?
1:17 you can laugh all you want but England broke the law. They passed a resolution "after the fact."
Did anyone else hear England say at Studio's, I'm 64 years old, I'm the Mayor and I don't NEED the Council's approval. If you don't like it then sue me!
I heard him say that to Council member Jeff Gahan, Council member Price and Council member Coffey.
I think England has an out-of-this- world ego. He's very narcissistic. And he's able to focus all attention on him.
Everything is a photo-op.
This is the results of your so called networking.
G-I-V-E-US-R-A-T-E-P-A-Y-E-R-S A BREAK.
Instead of pointing the finger at Erik @ Fos and Ms. Denhart @ CFA, you all ought to "be thanking them for watching out" for us all.
What will be the reasoning behind a sewer rate increase? I can hear it now. We have NO money in EDIT, TIF's and the Sewer Fund.
Why don't we, just ask England where all the money went.
Give us a break.
How can I take anything serious from someone who claims to listen to "Erik."
I mean the Toothfairy, sure. Santa Claus, definitely. It's OK to quote the Easter Bunny, the Great Pumpkin, aliens.
But Professor Erik?
Where do I meet Erik?
Where did he get his degree?
Where does he teach?
Where does he live?
What's is his last name?
What does he look like?
Why have none of us met him?
Why in the hell to you continue to think we will believe in YOUR Toothfairy called "Erik"?
If Erik is so confident that England broke the law, why doesn't Erik sue England?
“I’m not saying it’s common everywhere, but it’s one of the more common findings that you’ll see,” Pride said. “If there is a finding in a city report, it will be on internal controls.”
This is your smoking gun?
Because the city got $200,000 from insurance after the roof blew off the Tabernacle building does that justify violating state law because the city got a so called $100,000 "windfall"?
The city stated they purchased the building because of its historical value and they didn't want it to fall into the wrong hands. The building has been sitting with no roof since the hurricane and is deteriorating. If they cared about the building as they stated they did, why haven't they replaced the roof to help preserve this historical building from further deterioration? What have they done with the insurance money that should have been used to replace the roof? Do their actions match the reasoning they provided for purchasing the building?
Did the city really come out on top? They spent $98,000 to purchase it, they have spent money for insurance on it, they spent money to clean up the roof debris from the hurricane, they have lost revenue from property taxes that could have continued to have been collected on it had it been sold to the long standing established NA business that placed the next highest bid on the property. When you consider these factors and the fact that we now have another historical building that has been destroyed by wilful neglect, should it still be considered a $100,000 windfall? Did the city actually save the building from falling into the wrong hands?
Is this situation any different than the situation many complain about with the slumlords in town? Slumlords purchase houses (often at sheriff sales), rent them out for as much money and for as long as they can without performing any upkeep or maintenance on them. Once they capture their "windfall" and the property has become such a safety hazard and worthless, they walk away from them. Why are there complaints about the slumlords collecting their "windfall" after allowing their structures to be destroyed, but praises for the city collecting theirs "windfall" when they have failed to provide the maintenance on this historical structure and allowed it to become worthless?
There is a common thread to much of NA problems, disregard to following, upholding, and enforcing laws, whether they be federal, state, or our own city ordinances. As long as city leaders and citizens of NA find it acceptable to break laws and not be held accountable, and even more so can justify breaking laws because it involves a "windfall", NA will continuing to be in a constant state of social and financial chaos.
the city is working with a potential buyer who will restore the building
In addition to being a professor, a lawyer, and an accountant, Prof. Erik must also be an architect, and engineer and a historic preservationists. Amazing man!
and it continues.....justification to break laws.
breaking laws, like plagiarism?
breaking laws like violating the constitutional mandate to redistrict?
breaking laws like having the council meet at a "caucus"?
QUIT PRETENDING YOUR A DEMOCRAT
"Instead of pointing the finger at Erik @ Fos and Ms. Denhart @ CFA, you all ought to "be thanking them for watching out" for us all."
Which of Denharts multiple
Personalities should we thank first? There is no Erik, Vicki. You know, and I definitely know it.
That’s why "Erik’s" official FOS email contact is a sub-account on AOL of Vicki's main account.
Some people are not as big of morons as most who follow her. She is fooling no one but the densest of the crowd.
Oh DLB, facts have never stopped her before.
How do we view the aol sub-account thing?
Thank You
Amen, 5:57; 100% agree with your analogy. It won't matter, the admin gets on here and keeps twisting and turning.
Thanks for writing it in terms all can understand.
Agreeing with yourself again?
DLB, jealousy is a disease. What have you done for our city?
classic FOS:
if you can't win on the facts, personally attack the speaker.
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