Dan Chandler posted a comment on NAC last month about mixed use housing for people with low incomes. It was very well written and informational, so with his permission, this is a reprint of his comments.
"Smoketown and Clarksdale both used federal HOPE VI grants. HOPE VI began i 1992 as a New Urbanist way replace barrack -style "projects" with New Urbanist, mixed-use, mixed income neighborhoods. At its inception, HOPE VI required one-to-one replacement of low-income units. However, this one-to-one requirement was repealed by Congress in 1998.
While HOPE VI is still on the books, Congress has not funded it in several years. Therefore, if new low income housing happens in New Albany, it likely will be from a funding source other than HOPE VI. New Albany has never applied for HOPE VI and I doubt we'll ever get the chance.
Today except for specialty programs aimed at assisted living, etc., Congress mainly looks to the Section 42 Low Income Housing Tax Credit for affordable housing development. As part of the stimulus package, Indiana's annual LIHTC allotment for 2009 is triple what is normally allotted in other years. Under LIHTC, developers only receive credits for those units set side for families making no more than 60% or 50% (depending on their particular application) of the area median income. LIHTC has been used in New Albany at St. Edwards Court, various old-house-to-4-plex conversions along E. Spring and some apartments by IUS.
I'd like to see the problem of replacing New Albany's barrack-style "projects" unit for unit, with something less concentrated. Unfortunately, no one locally is pushing for good LIHTC development, or any LIHTC development at all. LIHTC housing can take just about any form you want. They've been used on a LEED certified high-rise in San Diego. They've been used on scattered site developments in Louisville by groups like New Directions and The Housing Partnership.
Since there's so much LIHTC money floating around this year, and since Indiana Housing has said that this year they are giving preference to historic rehabilitation in their LIHTC allocations,I'm disappointed that no one (to my knowledge) is putting together a LIHTC application for New Albany. To get sufficient economies of scale, you need at least 24 units to do a LIHTC project. With combined LIHTC and Historic Tax Credits, a developer would need to put virtually no money into a deal; they only would have to show sufficient financial strength to backstop the deal if something unexpected happened.
A New Albany project could be 30 new units at the Moser Tannery, it could be 24 rehabbed shotguns scattered around town, or it could be six 4-plexes. When you take LIHTC, HUD watches the property very closely for 15 to 30 years (again depending on the project). It's much better rental housing that one typically finds in New Albany; all HUD guidelines for construction, lead paint, etc., must be met. Groups like New Directions and Housing Partnership consult on putting these applications together. Someone just has to roll up their sleeves and make it happen.
As a side note, in our New Markets Tax Credit application, which is aimed at mixed use development, I specified that we would set aside 20% of new housing units for those making no more than 60% of the area median income. Therefore if we receive the NMTC's and all the credits are used on new development along the Main St., you'll see new affordable housing in places where there is no affordable housing today."
I have seen the Smoketown and Clarksdale areas Dan mentioned. They look beautiful. There are single family homes, duplexes and 4 plexes all on well maintained streets. As Dan mentioned, this could happen on our Main St. Perhaps this could be incorporated in the "Master Plan" suggested for the area.
Things are really picking up in downtown New Albany, let's not stop now. Developers, are you reading this?
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Thanks to both of you.
Thanks Shirley for post Dan comments.
Jameson Bledsoe
posting sorry I'm tired.
Another meth lab discovered in NAHA. They try to spin it and say their property is safe. They have a zero tolerence policy yet it seems monthly there is some kind of incident. Something needs to be done.
I saw this post on NAC myself. This is a topic I have been researching and spending a lot of my free and business time on.
One thing I have a question on is the way Dan described Hope IV. Most Hope IV redevelopments are a reduction of low income housing. Both previous described Louisville based developments where a reduction in government backed housing concentration. Other Hope IV redevelopment, like that of Atlanta's Eastlake Neighborhood, was a reduction in low-income housing development.
My understanding for LITHC is for “more” low-income housing units.
To dissect what Dan wrote:
“Under LIHTC, developers only receive credits for those units set side for families making no more than 60% or 50% (depending on their particular application) of the area median income”
The median income home in New Albany is $34,923, and the median income for a family was $41,993 so 50% of 34,923 is $17,461 to $22,496. (2000 census) Taking into account the Federal Wage to CPI Indexes the 2000 census is still a usable statistic in understanding New Albany’s situation. People making this type of income cannot afford the up keep of a home and therefore should not be encouraged to do so. Also NEW ALBANY HAS TO MUCH PUBLIC HOUSEING why in the life of anyone in New Albany would we want more government subsidized housing units?
“various old-house-to-4-plex conversions along E. Spring”
This is another problem for New Albany too many of our historic properties have been converted into x-plex. If anything should be done a reversal needs to happen. Taking into consideration the evolution of our large historic homes they were once the home of the elite then as the depression and the war and energy crisis of the 70’s the homes were converted to apartments. As long as the current recession doesn’t cause a repeat of events New Albany’s historic homes are attainable by Middle Class citizens. America’s standard of living has increased to a level where these homes would be considered middle-class but the majority of them are in disrepair.
“ I'd like to see the problem of replacing New Albany's barrack-style "projects" unit for unit, with something less concentrated. Unfortunately, no one locally is pushing for good LIHTC development”
How I understand it LIHTC does not include the destruction of current units. Secondly you would have to have the cooperation of Bob Lane and the New Albany housing authority. If you ask the Mayor’s administration it is out of their hands and if you ask the council it is out of their hands but all agree something needs to be done about it. There has been talk by the council about creating a committee to find out what can be done but the Mayor has more jurisdictions over the matter.
“Historic Tax Credits”
How I understand it Historic Tax Credits do not apply for developers only primary home owners. Therefore this voids their use as a developer’s tool.
There is talk about bringing back Hope IV in 2010. Under my understanding to take advantage of such a program plans would have to be started now to take advantage of this program by 2010. I personally know New Albany City government is not looking in that direction at all. To use a program like Hope IV local government would have to take the lead. Most developers are not urbanist and they would have to be educated in such development.
My personal feelings are that this is the great crusade for New Albany. Everything up to this point has had the focus of commercial redevelopment. The CBD’s future will only succeed if it is built on a foundation of stable neighborhoods. Trying to improve the CBD with anticipating that the neighborhoods will fix themselves will be like trying to go from New Albany to Louisville via the North Pole.
There is more to cover what Dan said but I'm going to bed.
Sorry for grammar mistakes or spelling I’m tired
Jameson Bledsoe
This is all well and good. But again, everyone is missing the point, we need our sewers and drainage fixed first!
Anon 1:22
I know, it was not my intention to ignore the sewers and drainage problems. I have written articles about this in the past.
"This is all well and good. But again, everyone is missing the point, we need our sewers and drainage fixed first!"
Prove to me that this in any way detracts from sewer repair?
New Albany is still on a sewer ban. Tell me how you will fix the sewer lines first. Then you MIGHT be allowed enough sewer credits to build public housing, commercial, industrial, etc.
Is it now against the law to build in New Albany, or replace existing buildings with new ones, or to improve existing building?
If you want less strain on the sewer system, you need more of your sewage generated closer to the sewer plant and less generated far from the plant. Two hundred new housing units downtown has much less "product" flowing through the overall pipeline than 200 new housing units by I-265. Density is part of the long term solution.
anon 5:27
Yes sewers are just as much to do with economic develop as redevelopment
The sewers need to be priority one.
I was at tonight’s council budget meeting and what Kay had to say was very interesting. I was surprised at New Albany’s budget outcome. The council will be reluctant to appropriate any money until the 2010 budget is set. After that the city will be in a lot better position.
The LITHC money or other Federal money would be just that. There would be some time city employees would have to spend on any projects but that is why they are there in the first place.
Federal Programs should not over burden any city employees.
Jameson Bledsoe
To have less strain on the sewer system, ALL the pipes have to be sized for the flow --- especially downtown, even if development is out I-265. What is the diameter of the downtown pipes, how old are they, and how much inflow (rain water) leaks into them? How deep they are will also determine the costs to fix them. Now where are all those overflows located?
If new development is downtown, then the only pipes that take on additional capacity are those downtown.
If new development is by I-265, then all pipes between I-265 and downtown take on additional capacity.
It is not just about location of new development. It is about capacity.
If the sewer pipes downtown are not large enough, the flows from all over the city will stop and back up with surcharges and with overflows. So even if new development is placed downtown, it may very well need to have those main sewer pipes enlarged first.
So could these grants be used to improve the sewer lines as well as build homes?
I don't know much about this and I want to learn.
We have such a building at 7th & Spring. Carl can tell you about this mixed housing building ran by New Directions. I am not sure how well it is doing, but would like to know. Thanks, Shirley.
New Direction's building on Spring provides a much cleaner, safer, healthier rental unit than some of the more derelict rentals in New Albany. Don't believe me? Call them up. They'll give you a tour. Compare what you see there with the picture Chris posted on Flickr.
Did anyone go to the City Council meeting last night? I was supposed to have dinner with my family at Wicks but they had a 2 hour wait :( but we did get a table at Tumbleweed :).
Hopefully we can to to Wicks soon but I'm glad business is so good.
Shirley can you give us an update on last nights council meeting?
You missed one hell of a council meeting last night anon.
I suggest you read Freedom of Speech and this mornings C/J on line.
Don't bother reading the Tribune they left so much out.
Of course they would, they're in bed with the England administration.
Silly me.
I just read the CJ's report by Grace Schneider and the Tribune's report by Daniel Suddeath and I must say Daniel's report has a lot more detail and is ten times more intertaining. Thanks Daniel.
Agree with you, Shirley.
Schneider makes no effort to go into detail. No analysis. No interviewing both sides. A few random quotes and that's it.
FOS left out congratulations for the presidents Nobel Peace Prize
To 10:15 poster - I know it's a clean place. It was clean when they bought it. I asked how they were doing as far as rentals. You seem to be upset I asked. I would really like to know how their rentals are doing; their capacity is great. Thank you.
I have already had a tour.
The Tribune is bias.
I wish for once Mrs. Baird, you would stop sitting on the fence. I sure hope you are not planning to run for council again.
You are to wishy, washy about issues.
What do you want to know about the council last night?
There was not much of a crowd.
I think Stan was a little hard on Diana.
If Stan was to run for Judge I would question voting for him.
The Progressives were there usual disruptive selves.
I didn't know we had a second city council that sits in the audience and tells the elected city council how to conduct their meetings. I guess that is a new form of democracy.
I don't know which is worse. How little information citizens get from city government or how much citizens miss because the “Progressive 2nd Council”, in the audience, won't shut up so others can listen.
I agree that Stan was harsh on Diane. She obviously had good intentions, and for Coffey to pretend that he's always meticulously followed the rules about legal meetings is plain laughable.
The Progressives were there usual disruptive selves.
That's a bit harsh, too. When Coffey says funny things, I laugh out loud. When he said he has no aim of being president next year, I applaud. These are spontaneous human reactions, spanning the political and social gamut. Coffey mocks the rules, and I mock him. That's a fair trade, isn't it? He knows me, and I know him. No bags, no blindfolds. Just politics, dudes.
I didn't know we had a second city council that sits in the audience and tells the elected city council how to conduct their meetings. I guess that is a new form of democracy.
What, were points of order cried out from the audience? I don't think so.
Does democracy not work best with the citizens are active and engaged? Are you suggesting citizens not attend meetings and debate issues?
I guess what you're saying is that since you cannot refute the "progressives" on facts or on policy, you will attack them personally.
Fact, they were being loud and jeering the council
Fact, I couldn't hear what was being said; even though the council was speaking at a level that I should of.
If I didn't have a Progressive continuously calling for a "recess" when it is not their position to do so I might have been able to hear the council. If not every time a council member gave their opinion or asked a question it had to be answered or commented on by a Progressive I might of heard the council.
The only thing progressive about a N.A. Progressive is their rudeness to other audience members.
Fact, there is a set time during a meeting to voice your opinion to the council and it was not that time.
If they want to hold people to a certain level of conduct they need to start with themselves or they would be considered hypocrites.
When it is the councils turn to speak I want to hear the council not Progressives’ negative input
blah blah blah . . .
if you don't like the message, and you can't think of a valid reason to not like it, just make something up about the messenger.
if they were too rude, i'm sure sheriff coffey would have booted them out. he seems to like that. he likes it so much that he'll write a letter to the editor to brag about it, even though he's never written a letter to the editor about ANYTHING ELSE. not about the budget, not about overspending, not about codes, not about development, not about affordable housing, not about sewers.
even though we don't know what else coffey possibly could be for, we know coffey's all about civility at council meetings, right?
hey roger, how about an editorial listing all the many, many things coffey has NOT discussed in letters to the editor?
will the firefights care that he writes more letters on civility than on fire fighter pay?
will the all the residents who have had sewers back up into their basements care that coffey has never written about sewer issues, despite years and years to do so?
will little people care that coffey's never tried to defend his budget positions in the newspaper? budgets aren't nearly as important as one lone incident of incivility, right roger?
DAMN ROGER, YOU REALLY MUST HAVE BEEN EVIL. so evil that your two words were the most important thing coffey has ever heard in his years on the council.
people should see things in perspective.
-Satirist
Well, at least the future candidate signed them for a while.
As an aside, do I have this one straight? CM Price agrees to back the GOP future 3rd district candidate in the general election if Price is beaten in the primary?
And, Satirist: You're assuming Dan "ghostwritten" Coffey actually wrote the last letter to the newspaper. Signing it and writing it are two different things, correct?
He's not signed a ghostwritten sewer or budget letter, at least not to my knowledge.
I'm not familiar with the GOP/Price thing. Is this s Trib story?
does anyone have any clue who dem and republican candidates will be in 3rd district?
My sources tell me, there will be four people running (including) Councilman Price in his district.
do your sources include the CIA?
I think Roger needs to run against Price. Lets see if he can walk the walk, cause he sure tries to talk the talk.
Price has my vote. How about the rest of you?
price has my vote for second worst councilman.
teehee...
if you google "todd coleman's classic furniture new albany," the Faux Citizen's site is the second one to pop up.
if you google "vicky denhart" or "steve price new albany," Faux Citizens if the first site to pop up.
i can't wait to read price's faux campaign website.
Price has a lot of support. He's my councilman,he's a really nice guy. At least he's not in the Mayor's pocket.
If you google Roger Baylor what comes up; Loser...
Hey budlight anon,
No, it only says New Albany's wannabe.
hate to break it to you, but imaginary professors can't vote.
Business slow tonight Roger?
professor doesn't have any fake papers to grade tonight?
Neither can a liberal atheist, right Roger?
keep thinking roger is price's only critic. i have no problem with that.
by the way, did you like my cheese in the video?
How can you tell if an atheist lives in your refrigerator?
You find a copy of The God Delusion hidden in the creme cheese.
My copy of "The God Delusion" is hidden underneath CM Coffey's copy of "Robert's Rules of Order." That way, he won't see either one of them any time soon.
I got one for you anonymous,
Why did the atheist cross Bank Street?
He thought there might be a patio on the other side, but he wouldn't believe it until he tested his hypothesis.
That's cool. I tell it a bit differently:
Q: Why did the atheist cross Bank Street?
A: He thought there might be a patio on the other side, but he wouldn't believe it until he cashed the city's check.
Ha ha.
I won't quit my day job.
WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN YOU CROSS A JEHOVA'S WITNESS WITH AN ATHESIST?
SOMEONE WHO KNOCKS ON YOUR DOOR FOR NO APPARENT REASON.
How did you likes those dogs when you were riding you bicycle today Roger? Oh Bernie almost got ya!
Get him Bernie!!!!!!!!!!
Hmm, I remember hearing a dog bark while I was pedaling past a graveyard.
I assumed it was a Citizens for Anonymity teabagging rally.
Now accepting suggestions for Steve Price's faux Re-election campaign slogan and website.
Personally, I feel they would LOVE for people not to attend meetings. Several speakers have been attacked, publicly on Baylor's blog and made fun of excessively.
He wants to talk lawsuits; I know you can ridicule a City official however you feel. BUT, when you come after ordinary citizens who are not "public" officials, YOU cross the line.
My father told me an athiest is one who had to have A LOT OF FAITH to believe that way. To each his own, I say. LOL
That's a fair trade, isn't it? NO
Two wrongs make a right, don't they?
The original thread is worth being talked about. I hope we can stay on topic.
Why talk about affordable housing when there are attacks to be made, lies to be spread, and progress to be stopped?
Again, there is a mixed housing development at 7th & Spring which use to be a nursing home. Didn't St. Mary's own it previously?
Beautiful building inside and out and I would still like to know how New Directions' efforts are working out. How many apartments are full? Great effort and I would like to know how it is succeeding. Back to the subject at hand.
I think the New Directions place is at about 85% occupancy, which is standard for a large apartment complex. People are always moving in and out. There will be some vacancy while units are painted and stuff between tenants moving in and out. I think the one bedrooms have a waiting list while you could move in a two bedroom next week if you wanted.
Why did the atheist cross Bank Street?
Free will and an appreciation for good beer.
Why did the fake professor cross the road?
To stalk Roger, to selectively report an imagined zoning violation, and to steal his patio.
pretty amazing that someone who
- poses as a fake professor,
- creates a fake organization to be president of, and
- thinks 99% of town hasn't yet caught on despite the fact that no one listens to her,
can still call OTHER PEOPLE delusional.
amazing!
i'm sure most people in the state hospital think they're sane too.
way to stay on topic Roger
Has there ever been talk about starting a non-for profit tree organization?
What does everyone think about starting a group to promote tree planting and renewing New Albany’s urban forest?
Check out this site if interested www.treesinc.org/
Chris this may be up your alley.
Terre Haute residents may see a new tree in their neighborhood.
Mayor Duke Bennett announced 65 trees will be planted in the avenues section of the city.
The city is partnering with Trees Inc. and Wal-Mart on the project.
More than 70 locations for the trees have been chosen.
Each location is marked with a flag and spray paint.
Homeowners are asked to contact the city if they do not want to participate.
A small amount of care is needed to ensure the planting is a success.
"There are just so many benefits of trees," Mayor Bennett said. "It keeps the air cleans so we need to continue to put them back as we lose trees through storms or disease and if we don't replace those trees it will have an impact on our community."
The trees are scheduled to be planted on October 24th.
Trees... I like the idea.
I havce often thought of writing to Home Depots corp. Offices, Grant line Nursery, etc, and seeing if they would dontae trees.
Of course if a non-profit was established, their donations could be tax deductable.
In other news, a long time CEO of the large non-profit is strongly considering running for 3rd district council seat. We have been discussing it in depth.
She would be VERY beneficial for the city, but I just dont think she has the thick skin needed for politics in this town.
Me, Im getting out of the politicla scene around here. Going to concentrate my spre time and energy on issues facing our "urban wildlife", and bettering our local environment.
Less likely to be attacked by wild animals when you try and help them.
Chris they do have a grant program for trees and there are many more.
We just need a team.
Uptown has already planted 10 trees on Oak St.
There is plans to plant 12 more.
What better to see our winged friends but from a newly planted tree.
But I'm always on my topic.
http://www.homedepotfoundation.org/
I will ignore your attempt to hate R
the tread is about acquiring money for neighborhoods.
creating a tree group to acquire money to plant trees in neighborhoods would fall under topic.
"the tread is about acquiring money for neighborhoods.
creating a tree group to acquire money to plant trees in neighborhoods would fall under topic."
I deeper topic on this thread would be improving neighborhoods.
Trees can be planted in housing projects as well, lowering climate control costs, saving us all money in the form of tax dollars.
Thanks for the info on home depot.
I may dig into trying to move towards founding a group, or at elast finding other people interested.
Sounds like a goos opening REAL topic on hoosierbirding.blogspot.com
i absolutely 100% love the idea of planting more trees.
my only caveat is that they be the "right" tree. certain varieties attract more starling. other varieties have roots that attack sewer lines. some varieties have annoying little fruits that "litter" the sidewalk.
we need more "good" trees that provide shade and drainage control and make a walk down the city sidewalks more enjoyable.
sorry....should have written my only caveat is that they be the right treeS. biodiversity is important. we don't want to plant only elm and have the elms struck down 20 years from now by a few dutch elm disease, etc.
there are enough good city tree varieties out there that this wouldn't be too hard. i just don't want to accept any left over tree they have at wal-mart or home depot. i'm not sure how those foundations work or how they make their cultivar selections.
Hate to break it to you "Professor," but if "YOU FOUR" violated the open door law, so did the object of your desires, Steve Priceless.
I wonder how much jail time they'll serve?
Does England appoint seven replacements if the rest can't finish their terms?
FOS aside
"I may dig into trying to move towards founding a group, or at elast finding other people interested"
I'm with you C.D. you have at least one with you. I will be contacting TREE Inc. to find out more info this week. This is a very non political issue that can benefit everyone. More the merrier
Written by Anon(of course), 10-16-09, 9:09pm,
"Fact, there is a set time during a meeting to voice your opinion to the council and it was not that time."
Yeah, right. Mr. Coffey denied me my opportunity to speak at the "set time" in just his second meeting as council president.
Have the "progressives" been disruptive at times? Yes. Have they been called to order? Yes. Has Ms. Dehart and friends been disruptive at times? Yes. Has Ms Denhart and friends been called to order? Yes.
Let's just tell the whole story.
Why would the whole story be welcome in New Albany? We're partial to partial truths.
every six months, community foundation of southern indiana gives out $5000 grants to non-profits. put in a good application on behalf of your neighborhood association. never know! trees might be their bag, baby!
WOW! IS THIS ARTICLE A JOKE OR NOT ?
THERE IS AN ARTICLE ON ANOTHER LOCAL BLOGSITE DATED 10-19-09 ABOUT REMOVING A COKE MACHINE ON MARKET STREET IN FRONT OF A BUILDING.
THE GRIPE IS THAT IT IS IN PUBLIC RIDE OF WAY. THE BOARD OF WORKS MOVED TO REMOVE THE COKE MACHINE.
THE OWNER OF THE MARKET STREET BUILDING HAS A RIGHT TO SUE THE
BOARD OF WORKS FOR DISCRIMINATION.
IS THE BOARD OF WORKS BLIND ?
HAVE THEY NOT SEEN THE TABLES AND CHAIRS ON MARKET STREET BLOCKING OUR SIDEWALK WHEN WE TRY TO WALK
DOWN THE STREET IN DOWNTOWN NEW ALBANY ?
IS THE BOARD OF WORKS NOT AWARE THAT THERE IS A PATIO IN FRONT OF A BANK STREET BUSINESS AND EVEN OUT INTO THE STREET ?
THE CITY BOARD OF WORKS NEEDS TO BE FAIR AND TREAT ALL BUSINESS OWNERS ALIKE.
Thank you for the information. I felt it was timely people found out we do have such a thing as mixed housing apartments, and it is a beautiful building.
Thank you for the info 10/17 1:51 pm. Appreciate it.
As far as trees, our organization paid for our own. Need to raise some monies or start a non-profit and get some of those grant monies. Everyone is pushing GREEN these days. Wouldn't mind seeing some roof tops of downtown buildings going green. Now there is an idea.
To 8:31 - Amen! For years they have denied Little Chef the opportunity for them to put chairs and tables out. I literally had to walk out by the curb to get around those chairs and tables on Market St. What is good for one is good for all. Personally, I think this is one of those selective enforcement issues we always speak about. My 2 cents worth.
Hey, how come no one showed up at the meeting where the Phase 2 of Scribner was to be unveiled. Carl was not a happy camper when only one showed up. He had to take all of his maps down off the wall and put all of his things away for the show and tell.
Has the Council quit trusting our Deputy Mayor? Hmmmmmmmm. It would be nice to think that as I am not a fan of his. Not sour grapes, simply someone who has listened to his rhetoric for 2 long. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I personally think the Council was blown away by the VFW issue and are leery of what else may be in the plan. Some Council members may take the time to read it all in its' entirety, but we know those who won't. Seen too many Council people not even open their packets until they sit down in their chairs. What a shame.
I am concerned that the Master Plan will be used for political favoritism.
“vacant lots should be in-filled with modern architecture that respects the historic fabric without mimicking it.” Tribune
"Without mimicking it"
I will be encouraging the council to vote "no" to the resolution because of this point.
If a developer wants to build a new building that mimics an older style they should be able too. The Plan Commission could deny the builders plans pointing to the Master Plan.
I appreciate that Mr. Price tabled the resolution, even if his intentions were not forthcoming. More time and discussion is needed.
The City Council needs to be the primary meetings were citizen learn about the happenings of New Albany. In my opinion citizens are information deprived.
Who wants to join the group to form a New Albany TREE Inc chapter?
WOW! IS THIS ARTICLE A JOKE OR NOT ?
Which article?
THERE IS AN ARTICLE ON ANOTHER LOCAL BLOGSITE DATED 10-19-09 ABOUT REMOVING A COKE MACHINE ON MARKET STREET IN FRONT OF A BUILDING.
Elm Street.
THE GRIPE IS THAT IT IS IN PUBLIC RIDE OF WAY. THE BOARD OF WORKS MOVED TO REMOVE THE COKE MACHINE.
Yes, it did.
THE OWNER OF THE MARKET STREET BUILDING HAS A RIGHT TO SUE THE
BOARD OF WORKS FOR DISCRIMINATION.
Elm Street. Read much lately?
IS THE BOARD OF WORKS BLIND ?
HAVE THEY NOT SEEN THE TABLES AND CHAIRS ON MARKET STREET BLOCKING OUR SIDEWALK WHEN WE TRY TO WALK
DOWN THE STREET IN DOWNTOWN NEW ALBANY ?
There is a provision in the code for these. You can look it up. Try looking in the New Albany ordinances, not Birdseye's.
IS THE BOARD OF WORKS NOT AWARE THAT THERE IS A PATIO IN FRONT OF A BANK STREET BUSINESS AND EVEN OUT INTO THE STREET ?
Yes, because the board approved it. The sidewalk is quite obvious.
THE CITY BOARD OF WORKS NEEDS TO BE FAIR AND TREAT ALL BUSINESS OWNERS ALIKE.
No arguments there. Why are you screaming?
Who cares?
Letter in today's Trib reads:
The job of the tourism board is to manage and use its resources to increase tourism and convention activity within Clark and Floyd counties. The reason that I support the board considering a change of leadership is not personal, political and is not because of alleged illegal activity. It’s because there seems to be a lack of enthusiasm for a number of Jeffersonville projects pitched to Jim Keith, and because, after almost 30 years of the same leadership, I believe new blood and energy will likely increase tourism and economic activity in Clark and Floyd counties.
This affects Floyd Co. too. Why aren't New Albany council members taking a position on this. Time for new blood, new ideas? Can you imagine a New Albany councilman writing a letter this simply, direct, and to the point? Does any New Albany council member show leadership like this?
In my opinion citizens are information deprived.
Boy if only you knew how true this was. If you want to see an example, I suggest reading your post again.
I recommend putting all council meetings, board meetings and commission meetings on television and/or the internet.
But, if all citizens were informed on how clueless Price is, no one would vote for him.
the master plan changes virtually nothing regarding what kind of building you can build. virtually all of that property along that part of main street already is in a historic district which has the same guidelines for new construction.
This is what cannot be built:
-a standard Hooters restaurant, and more specifically, Hooters’ multiple fake neon palm trees.
-self storage units.
-a standard Wal-Mart/Target/K-Mart style big-box store.
-a junk yard, scrap yard, tire shredding facility
Why is England & Maylsz wanting to spend $600,000 on Eastridges property? It's out money but Eastridge's problem!
Unless, England's bought it and didn't get approval from our council.
he doesnt need council approval.
if you dont want a buyout, tell us a better idea to get rid of the problem in the next 10 years? you may not care to inhale toxic fumes all day but i dont want that for the kids living down the street.
From my understanding, and I have video of the public meeting, the monies that are going to be used for the 2045 silver street property are going to be coming from EPA grants.
Thout it may appear to be CCE, or CBE, or silver street properties LLC, which ever "corporate name" they are going by this week, problem, in actuality it is all of our problem.
That company caused damage to the creek that drains into the Ohio River on 4th street, caused damage to a creek and a wetland at 111 and Corydon pike, and has over 90 violations of IDEM environmental rules and laws at the current location.
The company has avoided every cease and desist order, ignored every zoning law, and thumbed their noses at IDEM and the EPA.
IF we can get grant monies to rid our city of this, then so be it.
IF we have to tap into TIF monies from the Monon Corridor, so be it, that TIF money can not be spent elsewhere outside that corridor right?
the council isn't the executive. the mayor is. the council controls the pursue springs and makes ordinances, but beyond that, how laws are executed, is up to the mayor. if he wants to use grant money to buy a property, he has that authority.
Regardless of how we do it we must get Eastridge and his polluting company out of New Albany.
There are children in that neighborhood and they are being exposed to toxic fumes.
I don't like the idea of spending $600,000.00 to accomplish this either but it has to be done for the sake of our citizens. I wish there was a way to confiscate his property but I'm sure that option has been thoroughly explored.
A lot of us in the neighborhood stood up against his proposal to move to 111 and Corydon pike, for the betterment of the city. Bby doing so we kept him and his polluting compnay in our back yards for a while longer.
A ton of people from all over the city showed to fight that move as well, so please, now that issue is put to bed, dont start fighting it now so it stays in our backyards.
If the lawsuit continues won't that put him out of business? With all the fines plus shouldn't EPA make him clean it up of they do they can put him out of business.
Regardless he needs to be put in jail and forced out of town.
We tried putting the Council on NAHS channel, but the would be politicos nixed it. Gee, don't you remember the fight. I recall who led the fight against it and now they give us live feed, their version, via the internet. Pooh.
I love it. "We" tried. "Would be" politicos. Spoken like a tried and true wannabeen.
10:23,
I vaguely recall the idea of putting the meetings on NAHS channel but that was before I got more "involved".
Who is "we", as in "We tried putting..."?
Who led the fight against? What were their stated reasons for opposing it?
I really don't know and would appreciate being brought up to date.
maybe it's a time to push for a new live TV drama again?
RE: Council meetings on TV
Valla Ann used to tape every meeting at her own expense and tried to have them aired on WNAS.
This did happen for a short time but apparently someone objected.
There was a meeting of the School Board (and several citizens spoke in favor) but it was decided that the meetings weren't "educational" and so they were cancelled, so to speak.
Thanks, Shirley.
Now maybe 10:23 can fill in the rest of the details.
just because most of the meetings' discussions are stupid doesn't mean they aren't educational.
does anyone recall if the few videos that were taped and known to be aired caused an increase in civility or...thinking....from council members?
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