Rep. Tom Saunders R-District 54 has introduced a bill which would ban employees from serving in two capacities in the city or county. In other words, Councilmen Jack Messer and Ted Heavrin would not be able to retain their positions as police officers and run for public office. I think this is a bill that should have been passed a hundred years ago.
Now readers, before you get all upset, let me explain that I was only using CM's Messer and Heavrin as examples. I have nothing against either of these men personally but they are city and county police officers and currently serve on the city and county councils respectively.
As you probably know, any Federal employee cannot serve as an elected public servant. If a postal worker cannot be an elected official why should a police officer, or a city sanitation worker, or street department employee? I have always thought this was unfair. To me it seems like a conflict of interest. I know the above mentioned council members always abstain from voting on matters such as salary, but they are still drawing two paychecks from the same local government, which I have heard many people refer to as "double dipping".
So, I want to say that I am thankful to Rep. Saunders for introducing this bill and Rep. Ed Clere for his support.
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Wasn't that SB 1425? I think that is GREAT news for the citizens of New Albany. To much Conflict of Interest in my view.
Thank you, Mr. Clere.
Yes. It's completely a conflict of interest to have policemen serving on the council, etc. I think it's about time someone started noticing the "double dipping" and put a stop to it. I, too, congratulate Rep. Saunders and our own Rep. Clere for getting the ball rolling in the right direction. Good post, Shirley!
Well since you all think it so great that public service employees should not be able to run for office much less even be elected by their peers, maybe they should also be tax exempt too. It is not a appointed position they have to be elected by the voters, if you don't like the person running then run for the office yourself and quit whining. If you are really worried about conflict of interest then lets look at the highest levels of government and talk about who sets their salaries, a lot more money could be saved at the state and federal levels. Local government is the anti-christ to mitch daniels.
Are you saying it's ok to limit who we can vote for to represent us?
The people who repesent us are already limited. If a person works for the Federal Government they cannot run for office.
Even a clerk at the Census Bureau cannot represent us. And we know they would not have any conflict of interest.
The federal law keeping people from running is also garbage, and is the rules not allowing teachers to run for school board. If you are a citizen of this country and meet all requirements then you should have the right to RUN for any office they choose, just remember the people elect them. If we are going to limit or place restrictions on who can run then what about large business owner, welfare, members of religious groups, bar owners, adult book store owners, developers. All have been in front of our council at some point in the last few years wanting money for something or another. Sounds like a CONFLICT of INTEREST. The voters need to be able to decide to who they want in office.
Anonymous 10:28 said...
Are you saying it's ok to limit who we can vote for to represent us?
Nope...I believe the bill is providing a person the choice of being a non-elected government employee or an elected government employee. They just can’t hold both. Their personal choice determines whether you can vote for them to represent you. You would need to blame the person who chooses to be a non-elected employee instead of an elected one for limiting your choices. I know it's much easier to blame Mitch or Clere, but they are currently bound by the same constraints. Would you have a problem if Mitch and Clere also held a non-elected paying position with the state? I bet you would!
Well said 11:55!
As for the rest of you, you are the same people who had no problem hearing that, if Shane Gibson had won, that he planned to remain New Albany city attorney AND be state representative. Uh, there's DEFINITELY a conflict of interest with that one, folks!
As for the comment from 11:14 about teachers running for the school board: Don't you remember the Teachers Union signs endorsing certain candidates for the school board? Jan Anderson, Mark Boone, and Neal Smith, I believe. And, look! ALL of them were elected! Wow. Do you not think the "teachers" are already on the school board!!!???
As for the teachers, don't you think it's bad form for the likes of Mark Kessans, a teacher and president of the local union, to strong-arm teachers into joining the union (whether he does it himself or has other people do it)? And don't you think it's kind of outrageous that this is the same guy who gives the double-handed bird as he comes out of the porn shop and yet he's the head of TEACHERS!!?????!!
I think we're a little messed up, people!
You're the same people who thought nothing of Bill Cochran having a well-paid job at IUS, yet, on a certain other blog around here, pondered how long it would take Ed Clere to get a job at IUS in voicing criticism of his doing so (which he has not).
What's crooked and good for the Democratic Party is just a matter of course, and what's crooked and done by the Republicans is the reason why we've gotta get 'em! Serves 'em right after all, those disgusting Republican slimeballs.
Makes me thin of renouncing my party, but I can't quite become Republican YET.
Don't become a Republican. They've got Moron Matthews for a leader. Yawn.
moron matthews cleaned your democrats clock last election , just wait till this year boys, can we say shellacking? Only dem worth voting for is steve price.
I was at Richos, and I overheard Baylor tell people he is want to run against Mr Price.
anon 11:55
The teachers did not support neal smith---mark boone jan anderson roger whaley
teachers have a clear choice of what to do. THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHETHER THEY JOIN THE UNION OR NOT----THE UNION STILL HAS TO REPRESENT THEM-----MANY DO NOT PAY BUT STILL GET THE REPRESENTATION-------you know, the free riders
I was in grade school and I heard the teacher explain how to put words together to form a sentence.
@ Anon 2:06
A FEW teachers do not join the union and are heckled and ridiculed by union leaders. My sister is one of these. She refused to join the union and was told point-blank that this meant she'd NEVER get any kind of promotion or choice opportunity to do anything above and beyond her job.
My sister works her butt off. She's no "free rider."
Just checked out the Freedom of Speech blog. It's true. I know that Dave Matthews (who IS a moron) signed off on permission for Stumler to run as a Republican. He was mighty proud of having convinced Stumler that he thinks like a Rep, therefore he really IS one.
What a dope!
As for the comment that Matthews got all those people elected, uh, no, it simply happened on Matthews' watch.
Republicans are stupid. There's your proof.
I talked to Irv Stumler tonight and he confirmed that he is running for mayor. I did not ask him which party he was running under. He just said that he wanted to do what is best for New Albany and that is how he plans to make his decisions.
I don't know him well but the few times I have talked with him have given me the impression that he is nobody's fool. He is also a businessman so maybe if he wins he will run New Albany like a business.
Interesting times.
I'm sure Mr. Stumler is a fine man but he doesn't strike me as someone with any new ideas. Does he have a platform?
I want to know why this guy cut a deal with England?
"He just said that he wanted to do what is best for New Albany" - what politician HASN'T said those words? Connect the lines - they all keep it in the family. Distract and evade the truth. Any closed door deals?
New Albany - Keep the Faith. Keep the truth coming. Don't give up.
Stumler must be somebody's fool if he's agreed with Doug England to do anything. As for his agreement to keep Malysz, Rosenbarger and Gibson, well, that just shows that there's mischief afoot. There's a lineup if I ever saw one!
How can we possibly trust Mr. Stumler to make decisions based on what's best for New Albany when he told Dave Matthews that he "made arrangements" with Doug England and that he'd be running as a Democrat? This, after accepting the signature of Matthews, as chairman of the republican party? And what's England doing? Running? Against Stumler? Not likely, when he told Stumler to keep his best boys on the payroll.
Something is fishy with all this. Very fishy.
listen to dave matthews speeches. he puts what's good for the party above what's good for the city.
oh you wont say that when you find out stumler is running as a republican baird you will still tout england like you always have and how could you question your political boss now Baird, oh thats right you are trying to get elected, sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry too late you are toast
Thanks to Freedom Of Speech, we are still one step ahead of England-Stemler or who ever this guy is.
Maybe we need to hire an investigator like England did against Ed Clere.
Just the though and reading FOS about the deal cut between them two made my family hot.
I hear this guy has money and who cares, this all leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I will be damned to see another person who cuts deals get back in office, it's time to call this new guy out.
Dan Chandler for mayor!
I know rumors abound but has anyone actually asked Mr. Stumler about his platform or what ideas he has for New Albany. I understand that he will formally announce tomorrow, maybe we will know more then.
Unfortunately, anything he says will now be irresistibly weighed against everything he's done regarding a mayoral race thus far.
Shirley,
If this guy has cut this so call deal with England, and I do believe what FOS wrote. That's all I need to know about him.
My thoughts and opinion is this; who cares about his platform if this guy has cut this deal. Have each of you forgotten it was only in NovemberEngland announced he was running for reelection.
What happen between Dec.-Jan. is what I want to know.
11:31, I agree with you. Something is damn fishy.
Has anyone contacted the Rep. Chairman for confirmation?
Just like anything else, we have to sort this out. Maybe this is the whole point here. I'm a hard core democrat and I'm just too confused to know what to believe.
Good! Freedom of Speech is trying to expose the truth. The truth greatly entails Englands lies.
I'm not trying to make light of this situation, but even if this man Stumler ia a 'tool', the way this is being handled is a tragedy waiting to happen.
Thanks. Maybe in 2027.
Even if FOS is not being fed bogus information and wreaking havoc by exposing the deep, secret pac, then that is what we need.
We are headed towards catastrophies of unprecedented proportion unless we all get smart-and learning the truth is the first step.
If Doug England, Gibson and Malysz was doing good they would have never made this deal.
It is time to expose this entire issue and let the democrats decide whose right or wrong.
Is exposing the truth a good thing of a bad thing? I say truth is good.
Freedom Of Speech does what real newspapers are sippose to do. They get information that employees gets and post it, so that people can know the truth. The local 'News' is simply $&!# and the truth is never supposed to see the light of day. Fewwsom Of Speech is no more guilty of anything than newspapers were in the past when they actually investigated things instead of parroting what they are told. They don't want the truth getting out about a deal or anything.
To Erik, I say you are one heck of a guy who has really put your arse on the line this time. Hope I have your kahunas when and if my time ever comes.
Don't kill the messenger. Heed the message.
Long Live CFA!
citizens-for-accountability.blogspot.com
I cannot imagine what's going on. People in my office have been talking about it all day. Suffice it to say, our local party is in a shambles, and this farce is proof positive.
'freedom of speech' has anonymously claimed criminal activity for years.
where are the investigation you promised years ago, FOS?
where are the FBI tapes you promised again and again, FOS?
where is the proof of all the crimes you claim have happened again and again and again, FOS?
if you got any evidence time to put up or shut up!
You know, this whole thing smells of some sort of desperate move of some kind. Question is, who's desperate and who's trying to move what?
My guess is MONEY.
I believe the more information the better especially when it comes to dealing with England.
Have you seen the latest awesome tweets?
Erik does not exist. Looks like politically, the incumbent might not, either.
if Shane Gibson had won, that he planned to remain New Albany city attorney AND be state representative. Uh, there's DEFINITELY a conflict of interest with that one, folks!
not for citizens of new albany. it's not a conflifct to be employed by the city.
as representative, shane would represent basically floyd co.
as city attorney, shane represents city of new albany.
it would only be a conflict if a matter in indianapolis pitted county versus city.
Stumler must be somebody's fool if he's agreed with Doug England to do anything. As for his agreement to keep Malysz, Rosenbarger and Gibson, well, that just shows that there's mischief afoot.
Anyone can get on here and say anything.
If England and Stumler agreed to anything, it's not such a secret conspiracy or you wouldn't know about it, would you? I for one doubt there's a deal.
Why the !@#$ should we beleive you anonymous?
If Doug England, Gibson and Malysz was doing good they would have never made this deal.
It is time to expose this entire issue and let the democrats decide whose right or wrong.
Expose away! Show us the proof!
Don't kill the messenger. Heed the message.
OK, I'll heed the message if you can show me any proof why I should believe it.
Anyone see WHAS tonight?
England said: his number one goal is to work with the parks department in Floyd County to put in a water park and sports complex for the community. He says he's also working to update the riverfront and improve the main roadways around the city.
He's not only cut a deal, he plans to bankrupt our city and fill his pockets on the way to Hwy. 150.
England is done in this town. Pack your stuff and get out of town Doug, we're sick of your lies, champagne taste and you robbing us all blind.
Where's our money Doug?
Doubt all you want to, all one of you!
I think you've got all the proof you need that Freedom of Speech knew what they were talking about--Mayor England's not running.
Since you naively let England use you, Baylor, of COURSE you suspect nothing.
It seems like another blog administrator has been given his marching orders. Attack and distract. Why don't you guys just drop 1t. Your free ride is about over. It's time to grow up and stop riding the backs of us taxpayers.
Dear Former Mayor to be,
I won't be able to attend todays pajama party at Culberson Mansion.
I sure hope you are not asking our over paid City Attorney Gibson and our over paid illegal Deputy Mayor Malysz,along with city department heads that they won't be recitation for an eHarmony.com commerical together for Stumler's for Democrat Mayor in your place.
Please don't ask Democrat Chairman Cox to lead the Pledge of Kum Ba Yah let's all unite behind our new Democrat Mayoral candidate.
I hope you enjoy another photo-op and please have Mrs. Garry deduct the time of our city employees salary while attending your going out party.
Btw, can you put a bug in Stumler's ear for me and others that we will make this election his worse nightmare.
I guess with your help since he has no experience in running local government you can also share your knowledge by give him a few pointers.
Also, can you do me a favor and cancel thursday's council meeting, because now that your leaving and planning to run our city from Hwy. 150 we're not going to need that new security system.
And, last but nor Leist. We will be looking forward to a better future without Shane,Carl,John and you in it.
Jeff Gahan for Mayor.
7:44PM
7:45PM
7:47PM
For your answers I suggest calling:812-923-8951 and ask Dave Matthews yourself, like I did.
Why is Dave Matthew's word so golden? As party chairman, it's his job to be as partisan as possible. Ever think of that?
Do you remember what happened the last time Doug endorsed a candidate at Culbertson West? It was Shame Gibson. Remember how Cochran stood there and called Ed Clere "Boy" and England joined in (and so did Gibson, eventually)? Well, the few of us who weren't coerced into going to that meeting but went just to see what would be said left there DISGUSTED and promptly forgot any inclination to vote straight Democrat.
Then, what did England do with Gibson's campaign but spend secret money having phone calls made to smear Clere in the most insidious way I've ever heard around here. Then, all the progressive whiny-babies got online and said that Clere had been Mr. Baddy....Uh, no. That's not how it went and they knew it!
How much worse, then, when protecting his own turf? How much worse will England behave against anyone who runs against Stumler? Doug England is going to do exactly what has been said on here. He's going to rob us blind with all these last-ditch projects of his and then all the secret money collection that'll go on!
In the meantime, he'll keep using those who aren't on to him and we'll hear the same rhetoric again and again about how there's no proof or we can't "imagine" that he would do things like that.
People have seen England's antics as children in the homes of some of our "finest" Democrats, and, believe me, we've got a lot we could tell!
@ 9:39 I let this comment post but I really have never heard any of this before.
I have never heard ANYONE refer to Ed Clere as "boy" nor have I heard about "secret money".
Maybe those involved will offer an explanation.
I think you've got all the proof you need that Freedom of Speech knew what they were talking about--Mayor England's not running.
Everyone knew Doug wasn't going to run.
I want proof of a secret deal. Sounds like more FOS fantasy to me.
9:39,
Getting all your facts straight would sure help your case.
The progressives(at least the ones I know)said that the Democrat's attacks(children)on Mr. Clere were disgusting. Myself, the first that I posted the morning after receiving one of those flyers, was condemnation of it. When I received a phone call, I told the caller to go to hell and hung up. Others did the same thing.
What the progressives didn't do, is let the Republicans off on their own smear campaign. We acknowledged "smear" on both sides--apparently you are the one with the blinders on. If you want to say the the attacks on Mr. Clere were more disgusting than the attacks on Mr. Gibson, I might agree with you. But anyone who denies that the Republicans didn't use a smear campaign either wasn't paying attention or is just lying.
You're accusing Matthews of lying. Going back to that, "I'm gonna attack the Republicans big time, but let bad Democrat behavior go unquestioned."
Not very progressive of you to be so immediately prejudiced.
this was out a couple of weeks ago---and thee was an agreement to keep carl and shane-------stumler had first planned to run as the republican
Dave Matthews' partisanship extends only as far as his conservative CHRISTIAN values will allow. Matthews is on a mission to create a party that is holier than thou. He believes very strongly in his own righteousness and is honest to a fault. He may be a Republican, but he wouldn't make up that Stumler had signed on as a Republican.
Furthermore, Stumler's family, and they are numerous, are laughing their heads off at the idea of Irv being a Democrat when he is a fiscal conservative. They can't believe it! But, some of them have said, he's doing it because England said he WOULD win with his endorsement and asked only that, in return, Malysz and Gibson be kept on the payroll.
Irv Stumler told Matthews about a deal that was struck, and others have certainly known about this for a couple of weeks now.
Saw Mayor England on TV. He does not want to 'give it up' I can tell. So what gives? So who (what) is behind all of this? Don't believe it is his family, as he says. What about that Democratic machine that is always behind the curtains?
Keep asking the questions! More importantly - find another Mayoral Candidate!!!
It's official:
Freedom Of Speech was totally correct.
He even admitted he was going to run as an republican.
Looking at keeping previous employees.
Seems like free loader Baylor is pretty up set.
No more free rides for you Mr. Baylor and don't expect anymore political favors.
Thank you Erik at FOS for exposing this democrat/republican/democrat.
It certainly is the case that Erika called the shot. After all, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
The only thing about any of this that occurs to me is the age of the annointed successor. If the GOP can find someone young ...
Well, I don't appreciate being called "wacko" on the Tribune website just because we're discussing what we know.
Of course CFA was right. They are most of the time. However, the burden of proof rests upon their shoulders and proof is hard to find when they (individuals in England administration) cover their tracks so well.
Get over it. Every one figured out years ago that there is no Professor named Erik.
From interview by CJ columinist,Dale Moss, "Vernon Niemeier likes to say yes. Not that one necessarily need ask. “I enjoy it, I do,” Niemeier said of helping neighbors, friends, his alma mater and his hometown of New Albany."
The interview continues, "Among those Niemeier disappoints are those who urge him to return to politics by running for mayor. Niemeier acknowledges the job has crossed his mind, but only fleetingly. “I’m finished,” he said. “New blood is always good.”
I think Mr. Niemeier would be a great Mayor. He has LOTS of experience and he'd be the perfect Republican candidate. I think 'old blood' is good (as long as it isn't Doug England).
He'd be a great person to lead the New Albany bicentennial celebration. I want to ask Mr. Niemeier to run for Mayor.
Mark Seabrook.....?
Mark Seabrook.....?
I don't know what "everyone" you're talking about, but there IS a Professor named Erik and he IS part of the group Citizens for Accountability.
Considering that there's been all this chatter about "Erika" on NAC, we're always amazed that "everyone" hasn't figured out the truth that Erik is alive and perfectly well!
Ok. So, now Stumler's in Florida, starting hard work on his campaign? Just saw on FOS that he and his wife went there right after his announcement. If that's so, then why would he do that?
This story gets weirder and weirder.
Tribune interviews Prof. Erik!
http://tinyurl.com/4uw8ssu
Just saw on FOS . . .
Do you always trust liars and slanderers?
I nominate Vicki Denhart for Mayor!!!
@ 5:31
Whatever.
Yes, who are all those snow birds down in Florida right now?
What are their New Albany connections?
I just read Freedom Of Speech. Looks like England has got a serious leak in his goings on and deal making.
It's beginning to sound more and more like 'wikileaks' everyday.
Maybe he's losing control of his so called loyal employees.
Has anyone checked out this Stumler guy if he's even hooked up to sewers? You know how those rich people on Silver Hills are they like paying very little on anything.
I myself would like to know why Democrat Chairman WilCox is only supporting one candidate?
I support our citizens group. Thanks to them we don't have another tax on us and my wallot.
Just had a little time in front of TV to sit here and read all this. My, my we really digress. I had reactions to just about every post and I'll try to answer some of them here.
@4:41-Yes, I have to admit that you've done a good job, Mr. Clere.
@7:38-I agree with your post, Shirley. Well said.
@10:10, 10:28 and 10:48-It's certainly a conflict of interest for public service employees to run for office. It's like the time we bought a house and used the seller's realtor as our buying realtor too. In the end, we got ripped off because the seller's realtor was interested in making sure the house sold for top dollar. We didn't even think of this until years later. We got ripped off, just like the public gets ripped off when there's "double dipping."
@11:14-Do you not like rules much?
@11:55-Right on!
@2:15-Yes, I heard that Gibson had less than honorable intentions as to keeping his job. Yes, I agree that teachers are already on the School Board as represented by those their union supported. Yes, I've seen that picture of Kessans which was posted on a website and appeared in teacher mailboxes. I'm a retired public school teacher and one of my former colleagues showed it to me. Amazing.
2:18-Yes, I've considered renouncing my party too, but think of becoming "independent." Bill Cochran pretty much sat in a chair, played "yes man" and double dipped.
@7:17-Matthews isn't stupid, but he's certainly silly acting sometimes.
@9:29-Steve Price is certainly not the "only" Democrat worth voting for.
@10:49-Baylor isn't running for anything.
@2:06-The teachers union has not changed with the times. It's a big bully no one WANTS to join, and it does and says things that do not represents the average teacher. We've come to a sorry place in education thanks to the ISTA and its parent union the NEA.
@4:43-Yes.
@5:55-Let's not generalize. It's really unreasonable to do this and we don't like it when Republicans do this about us.
@Shirley-Yes. Interesting times. I don't think Stumler will run NA like a business. I've heard from a family member that he shows early signs of dementia.
@11:03 and 11:31-I wonder the same things. I thought, when I first heard about this, that England must have gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar, so to speak. I don't know all the answers.
@12:39-Yes. Naturally.
@9:20-Yes. Thanks to Freedom of Speech, we had information before the actual announcement was made. They did a good job. As for England investigating Clere, wasn't that a huge waste of money. Clere's as clean as they come and even a college hazing incident can't stain a guy who works harder than his $22,000/year state paycheck rewards him.
@10:10-Hmmmm...
@ the next 8 messages-It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see there's been some kind of agreement. But we weren't in the room and we don't know what it is.
@ Dan-Looking for you to run in 2027!
Answering comments farther down the page-I've heard Ed Clere called the "boy" dozens of times by Cochran. He's even gotten the IUS chancellor to say it. I've heard her. Pretty petty conduct.
As for the downtown progressives, they do rail against anything Republicans do, making fun of spelling and grammar errors, while letting go egregious errors of guys like Gibson who wrote that it was a "tuff" year to be "a democratic." I agree with the progressives that anyone who can't write correctly shouldn't be in higher office, but, evidently, this measuring stick only applies to Republicans.
Secret money-I'm going to leave that one alone.
And with that, I've said enough. Very interesting conversation.
@ 11:24 Ewe have weigh two much thyme on you're hands.
Suddeath pulls off a journalistic Coup! Way to go!
Baylor and his cohorts have gone way to far now with their recent fictional interview of Erik the professor by Daniel Suddeath of the Tribune on their Citizens faux Accountability blog. http://citizens-for-accountability.blogspot.com We all know they depict the professor constantly as a stupid, ignorant, and dumb person, and have made it their passion to ridicule this person any chance they can. Now, they depict the professor as a stupid, dumb, and ignorant, African American. I find this highly offensive and the citizens of New Albany, those of all heritages, should stand together and let these folks know that we are not going to tolerate this type of bigotry anymore. Perhaps it is time for a march on Bank Street. If Daniel Suddeath actually had any participation or knowledge of this then it is clear the Tribune needs to take some action also.
Erik is the bigot! He said Sonya Sotomayor wasn’t qualified without giving any reason. She graduated from Princeton and Yale Law. She was a District Attorney, a Trail Judge, a Court of Appeals Judge. She had been a judge longer than most of the other Justices when they were appointed. Why isn’t that enough to make her qualified? The racists said Thurgood Marshall wasn’t qualified either. Sounds familiar, doesn’t it.
Don’t forget Erik’s May 23, 2010 post “Viva Los 1070” where she wrote (cut-and-paste) about “‘Joe Legal’ and ‘Jose Illegal’”. Doesn’t she know that there are illegals here named Joe and legal immigrants and citizens named Jose? But facts never stop Erik. He intentionally paints people who Spanish names as being illegals.
Why does Erik hate Hispanics?
If Professor Erik doesn't step up and let us know he's real, someone else is going to become his spokesman. Hee hee hee.
Oh @#$%. New poll shows Democrats accepting of Palin Presidency.
http://tinyurl.com/45fonl4
@1:13 Daniel Suddeath had no knowledge of this hoax. And neither did I. I don't know why my names was mentioned regarding the link from NAC to "Citizens Faux Accountability".
I was referring to the Shirley who wrote the letter to the editor -- not to you. Her full name was mentioned earlier in the piece.
shirley we told you to watch out for baylor. he will try and drag anyone down even if he has to be racist to do it.
The team at FOS must be pretty good they are getting and leaking information Mayor England did not want out. And, I bet you there are more information that will be leaked and printed in the future.
Great job, 'Freedom Of Speech.'
If Daniel Suddeath actually had any participation or knowledge of this then it is clear the Tribune needs to take some action also.
Man oh Man. I thought it was OBVIOUS beyond doubt that this was SATIRE.
SATIRE is not a HOAX.
Yell that old geyser Stumler did act awful strange at his announcement party. He couldn't even read a prepared statement.
One thing for sure if he's 75 we sure can't afford him on our city healthcare plan.
Now, they depict the professor as a stupid, dumb, and ignorant, African American.
Wrong. The professor is depicted as a Harvard graduate. He uses correct grammar and he is polite. He has his finger on the pulse of New Albany. He is not depicted as stupid, dumb, or ignorant.
He's depicted him as an African-American to illustrate how we don't know anything about this faceless, mysterious, no-last-name "Erik." He could be white. He could be black. He could be a man. He could be a woman. Who can say otherwise?
Faux Citizens depicts those who believe in a "Professor Erik," or who think anyone else should believe in a "Professor Erik" as stupid, dumb, and ignorant.
Only someone who is stupid, dumb, and ignorant would think that there could be a college professor pontificating on New Albany affairs for years without anyone knowing his name or what he looks like.
It's a small town. You'd have to be stupid, dumb, and ignorant to think someone would actually believe that there could have been 30 CFA employees running around town for the past decade yet not one New Albany citizen would have run into any of them or know any of their names or know where their office is.
STOP YOUR LIES! If you tell me there's a Professor Erik, you are a pathological liar. If you tell me there's a Professor Erik and you got some scoop on England or Malysz or Baylor or Obama, I don't care. Why would I believe anything from someone who pretends he or she is a professor? Why would I beleive a pathological liar?
No knowledge? I find that hard to believe since they both write for the Tribune. If you hang with stank, then you smell like stank. Let’s see if Suddeath reports on the NAACP protest march on Bank Street like he did when we marched in protest of Messer at the courthouse. If those of you want to try and brush it off as satire, then that just proves how insensitive and ignorant some people are when it comes to race. Race is not a Hoax!
You can't slander someone who isn't real. Erik is as likely to appear in court as the toothfairy is. Go right on Erik sue your accuser!
That's the problem with having a fake leader. It's open season all year!
SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT PROFESSOR ERIK IS NOT A HARVARD EDUCATED AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN WHO WROTE HIS DISSERTATION ON THE UNITED NATIONS COMING TO NEW ALBANY!!!!!!!
SHOW ME THE PROOF!!!!!!
@ 9:00 a.m.-If you think I have way too much time on my hands, you're mistaken. I haven't checked out this blog in weeks-not enough time-and so I took a little time to communicate my responses to all the posts on here.
Well, Shirley, this has to be some sort of record. You're nearly up to 100 posts! You've got a great group of blog followers on here! They say things that make conversation very interesting.
To the author(s) of the "Erik interview": While it is obvious it is satire, it is incumbent upon you to do a better job of getting out a message that does not include bigotry. The way you gripe about groups with whom you disagree and accuse them of stereotyping and prejudice, while you yourselves make sweeping generalizations is disingenuous to say the least.
Also, you might step back and give some respect to a group who, to be frank, has been a watchdog for you and me AND has figured out where there are HUGE discrepancies in cash flow here in New Albany.
They only get by with it because the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
For me, I don't want a figurehead while wondering what others are collecting ("secret money") in unscrupulous deals, so I won't be voting for Stumler.
Let’s see if Suddeath reports on the NAACP protest march on Bank Street
The NAACP won't protest Bank Street because Roger doesn't have anything to do with Citizens Faux Accountability.
You really are nuts if you think Roger is the only person in town who knows "Erik" is a Faux Human.
I mean get real people. How can you not satirize this stuff? It's so far from reality it's just NUTS!
@ 4:09: You hit a the nail on the head on a lot of what you said. I agree that this thread of conversation is most revealing.
FOS's latest slop:
Thursday, January 20, 2011
WE TOLD YOU SO...
We've been attacked by several asking for proof.
I don't know about you but I sure am glad FOS is willing to prove everything they write.
Now prove that the Tribune story isn't real?
To the author(s) of the "Erik interview": While it is obvious it is satire, it is incumbent upon you to do a better job of getting out a message that does not include bigotry.
Just because C.F.A.'s member cannot stand the thought of having an African-American as a leader doesn't mean the story is bigotry.
What part is bigotry?
@ 3:06 I think you meant geezer. Actually, Mr. Stumler oversaw the huge renovation project at St. Mary's New Albany. I doubt that a person with dementia would be up to such a task.
As far as who Prof. Erik really is or if he is real, does it really matter? I believe the good professor is a front for a group of people who wish to remain anonymous. But if you read the blog you either agree or disagree, the identiy of the author doesn't change that. One thing for sure "Citizens Faux Accountability" is really causing FOS's readership to increase.
This isn’t about if Erik exist. This is about the bigotry portrayed in a tasteless faux interview posted on a website. A post that Roger Baylor purposely directed people to so they would read it.
I'm still wondering why Suddeath hasn't personally posted anything to deny his involvement if he didn’t actually have anything to do with it. One would think he would be upset that his name was used without his permission to spread their bigotry.
I'm still wondering why Suddeath hasn't personally posted anything to deny his involvement
Because he knows no one is dumb enough to think it's not satire.
I linked to six different pieces in that post.
What's truly hilarious to me is that after 2008, and being one of a handful of 48-year-old white males in all of NA willing to say that he was for Barack Obama (and still is), now I'm a bigot for linking to a very funny piece of writing.
Who wrote it? Beats the hell out of me. Every time I ask him, all he will say is "my name's Erik."
LMAO
The facts are Baylor and his cronies have consistently referred to Erik as dumb, stupid, and ignorant in numerous of their previous posts. Now in their faux interview, they decide to make Erik an African American. Most folks are smart enough to put it all together and see the bigotry in it. We all know Baylor is so egotistic that he always links or direct people to his other writings. This was no exception when he provided the link to the faux interview on Citizens Faux Accountability.
So now anyone who happens to spell a word wrong is banned from this so called kingdom of yours?
I support our local citizens group.
Freedom of Speech says she knows everything that's going on in New Albany. Too funny! FOS can't even figure out who's writing satire about her little faux professor.
The discussion here is important when it comes to our cities future. Meaning Stumler and not allowing city employees to run for elections. The attacks on a certain group of people is not.
They saved our b****s on the LOIT Tax and fought against many rate increases.
They went head to head with England and the council and fought for all of us.
So, I ask each of you to take this in considerations before you further your attacks on them.
Does Professor Erik exist? Doesn't Professor exist? Neither of these is the question. Frankly, it's a non-issue as to whether he exists or not. As Shirley pointed out, your doubt of his existance does not invalidate that which he says.
Citizens for Accountability is a group of respectible, active, interested citizens who see missing links in our city's reporting on fiscal issues. I don't care which party has control, we CANNOT ignore wreckless spending, slovenly record keeping, and what has all the appearance of shady dealings. To do so doesn't help any of our citizens, most of whom struggle to get by and who are oblivious to matters pertaining to the running of the city of New Albany.
Therefore, the mantle is on OUR shoulders. We, who are clued in to the financial reports, council meetings, interpersonal communications between public officials (whether elected or not), MUST continue to be watchdogs for our community.
We cannot continue to allow things to go by unchecked. Attack if you will, but we intend to continue our vigilance, even if you have to hear things that you don't want to hear. Even if we don't get credit for having saved the city from nefarious deals made behind closed doors, even if we aren't paraded like heroes through the city, we can NOT give up on the little people. They don't have the time, the financial resources, the wherewithal to do the research for themselves. While you and I may have time to get on blogs and discuss these issues, many New Albanians are just struggling to survive day to day.
So, please, let us show a little grace and wisdom, and let us question without throwing out perjorative comments and nebulous satire that help nothing.
If Daniel Suddeath actually had any participation or knowledge of this...
My oh my. This is what we're dealing with here folks. Denhart and her cohorts are so clueless they cannot sense satire when it's this obvious. Do they actually think that picture isn't Photoshopped? The Faux site even has disclaimers saying it's satire.
When you're this clueless and this gullable, you'll believe anything. You'll believe conspiracy theories left and right. Explains a lot.
I knew the CFA crowd (person) was fast and loose with the facts. I'm truely scared now. If they think Suddeath might have posed for a picture with Faux Erik, they're just as dumb as they come.
We've been attacked by several asking for proof.
Prove that Erik and his 34 staff members aren't really paid off by landlords! Prove it! Prove it! Prove it!
In 2008, The Chicago Tribune quoted a downtown "antiques dealer" saying he wouldn't vote for Obama "because he's black." Roger wrote about this and pushed local leaders to denounce the comment. "Professor Erik" didn't say anything but just piled more attacks on Roger.
How many times has "Professor Erik" called Obama a muslin jihadist? "Professor Erik" asks to see Obama's birth certificate and said he wasn't a US citizen. "Professor Erik" didn't say anything with tea party members spit on and called racial insults at African American Congressional leaders.
We know who the real bigot it, CFA. Go right on and call the NAACP. They know who they're talking to.
I cannot believe I have to make this post. I thought it was so obvious. Suddeath did not pose for a picture for Citizens Faux Accountability. Just look at his Facebook profile. It's the same picture flipped.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Suddeath/100001103807217
If you believed that Photoshop picture then I have some "authentic" FBI tapes for you too.
Thanks Erik! CFA's bookclub pick this month is fantastic. The Jungle truly is an inspirational story!
http://tinyurl.com/6747mao
Even if we don't get credit for having saved the city from nefarious deals made behind closed doors
This is the real issue. It's a big issue. It's a shame that the only person who claims to have the facts is a liar, sociopathic, moran who runs her fake blog and pretends to be a professor so people who accept what Freedom of Speech writes without asking for proof.
Show proof that there are nefarious deals made behind closed doors. Proof!
CFA thinks she has proof England is cooking the book and thinks she has proof Obama was born in Kenya.
Your standard of "proof" is nothing near "beyond a reasonable doubt."
The facts stands that Suddeath has not stated that he was not involved with the post. If he isn't which I hope he is not, he should say so. It is hard to believe that people would actually post another person picture on the web without their permission and make it appear he is part of their childish, satire, bigotry.
I'm still wondering why Suddeath hasn't personally posted anything to deny his involvement
If he doesn't personally post a denial that he won a Pulitzer, does that make it more true?
If this "she" you're talking about is Vicki, then she knows darned good and well that the spoof on Citizens FAUX Accountability. Vicki Denhart is no "moran."
One thing that would be greatly appreciated by the rest of us CFA members is if you would cease making sport of pointing your jabs at Vicki. Yes, she has taken responsibility for leading the group. Most of us, for one reason or another, must remain anonymous, and we are grateful, frankly, that Vicki has taken the lion's share of the responsibility for CFA's interaction with the public. Otherwise, we're all in it with her, and we're all sick and tired of hearing you make up things about her that are utterly untrue.
Play nice, boys and girls...
we CANNOT ignore wreckless spending, slovenly record keeping, and what has all the appearance of shady dealings.
"Appearance."
'Nuff said.
http://citizens-for-accountability.blogspot.com/2011/01/erik-proves-it-earth-flat-global.html
Most of us, for one reason or another, must remain anonymous.
Yep.
If the Cowardly Lion had been from New Albany, he'd have never discovered courage.
Yell, 3:32, I agree with you. why the heck these people keep saying crap about Vicki and its a pain in the butt having to read throught all that just to try to see if there's anything worthwhile.
Here’s a challenge. Show me where Baylor or any of his “cohorts” ever claimed that England is not corrupt. Show me where anyhow claims Malysz or Gibson aren’t committing crimes.
All 19 Citizens Faux Accountability blog posts are online. All 1000 or so of Roger Baylor’s posts are online too. You can look at any and all of them right now. Take the challenge, if you dare. Baylor’s not defending corruption and he’s not defending people proven to be criminals. Baylor may have laughed off unproven claims of corruption but show me where he’s ever laughed off a legitimate proof of corruption.
Here’s my problem with “Citizens for Accountability.” In this country people are presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. But that’s not how it works for “Citizens for Accountability” or “Freedom of Speech.” CFA and FOS have never proved anything. They’ve never shown a hint of solid evidence that England or Malysz or Gibson are in cahoots with anyone.
If “Citizens for Accountability” have evidence of a crime, BE A GOOD CITIZEN AND TAKE IT TO A PROSECUTOR. Take it to the F.B.I. Show people what you have. Show us the goods. Stop playing games and let's shut the crooks down. That will make you a good citizen!
If “Citizens for Accountability” does not have evidence of a crime, stop spreading your slander. Stop tarring the reputations of hard working civil servants. Stop saying guilty until proven innocent. Stop being so sloppy with your baseless accusations.
FOS wrote:
Did or was Irv Stumler bought and paid for by Douglas B. England?
Absolutely!
Okay FOS, now prove it! Prove it! Prove it!
You are alleging that a crime has taken place. Show us the evidence. REAL EVIDENCE. Don't just report rumors. Even if it's true that Stumler agreed to keep Malysz, that doesn't mean anything. Maybe that means Stumler thinks Malysz does a good job. Show us there was a PAYOFF!
A few people made some very sensible comments on the "Kitchen Table Issues" blog today.
They were calling for civility and a stop to the name calling and accusations.
Wouldn't it be great if everyone took that advice?
John Gonder has an excellent article on his blog "Gonder for New Albany at Large". It is about the bridges project and ways to cut the costs.
Someday I might learn how to set up links.
Here's your link, Shirley.
http://johngonder.blogspot.com/
He writes well. I disagree with his views.
Well I've seen it all now. I'm Black and to old to be on the computer and now I'm reading a bunch of white people talk about bigotry.
You don't have not any idea about bigotry. You have not seen white people clutch their purse when your son and you walk by. You have not had people not give you the same respect they give a white lady while you stand and wait. You have not seen the school people treat your children like they don't know enough to have that success they brag about when they talk about how many fights they don't have any more and how many kids they give scholarships to when they give a small scholarship to every black boy and girl. Then the white leaders brag about it.
You don't have not any idea how it feels to be talked about by white people, like as if talking is making us into tropheys and showing you up proud.
You don't have not any idea how white leaders have banquets honoring Martin Luther King, Jr., and then talk about how they honored the black man and woman, but yet they do very strange things by honoring people who have kept the black kids down in our schools and by not even honoring people who really do help black people.
You don't have not any idea.
You people need to hush up and stop talking about us black folk like it's us and them. You don't have not any idea what your talking about.
This is the first time I ever read this news blog of information and it won't be the last because now I have to pay attention because you people don't have NOT ANY IDEA what you are talking about!
(I'm sorry for my errors and long sentences. I see them. But I can't get this computer to go fix them.)
Freedom of Speech has a strong political bias. FOS routinely bashes some politicians and glorifies others. It does so for political reasons that have nothing to do with corruption or crime. FOS is biased. Since FOS is not a neutral party, why should I believe any unproven allegations they make about corruption?
Stumler Critical of 2-bridge Plan
It is disgusting that they used a picture of Suddeath and his name along with the Tribune's without their permission to spread their hatred. They talk about how people are cowards if they post anonymously, yet they use other people's pictures and names. That is far worse than posting anonymously and certainly more cowardly.
Yes, let's be civil!
Anon 9:49 Thank you for writing. Your comments were right on target, and very readable.
I am very sorry for the abuse you and your family has had to suffer. You are correct when you say that no one knows what you are going through unless they have been there.
I know that people sometimes write very mean spirited comments on here. I was reminded of that fact today by a friend,
But this is an open forum for ideas and that's how people seem to feel these days. I appreciate you for giving us a glimpse from the perspective of someone who has been through it all. Maybe some people will stop and think before they spout off.
Thanks again, and please continue.
It is disgusting that they used a picture of Suddeath and his name along with the Tribune's without their permission to spread their hatred. They talk about how people are cowards if they post anonymously, yet they use other people's pictures and names. That is far worse than posting anonymously and certainly more cowardly.
The Tribune and Suddeath have journalistic standards and ethics. That was the point of the latest "Faux" post.
FOS / CFA does not use journalistic standards or ethics. Suddeath and the Tribune agree with the gist of the story that if you don't have journalistic standards, your claims are worthless.
Right on 9:49, that's why I thought it was disgusting that they (Baylor and cohorts) post daily about a particular person being so dumb, stupid, and ignorant and then they make up a fictional interview and have that person being black.
They sit and deny it now, and then after being called out on it, they put a disclaimer on their website that it is satire...To me it is still Bigotry! Calling it satire doesn't change what it really is.
I'm fighting the fight with you 9:49 and we will win!
They talk about how people are cowards if they post anonymously, yet they use other people's pictures and names.
Someone really got your goat, didn't they?
One day you call the Tribune a liberal rag for publishing Baylor, the next day you're magically the Tribune's defender.
Hmmmmm......
Lots of posts calling me a coward.
Still no posts with proof of any of the following:
1. England administration has committed crimes.
2. Baylor's not concerned with possible corruption.
3. Prof. Erik is either white or black (take your pick).
P.S. Thank you for all the fan emails. My staff will be sending out replies later this week!
http://tinyurl.com/6assrgt
I wonder if they got permission from the New York Times to create the fake headline?
Too much time is being devoted to certain kids and their childish satire posting at the other faux blogs. Let’s not fall victim to giving into their attention deprived needs and get back to the real issues of this community. We have an election coming up which is much more important than any of them will ever be.
@ 6:50 - Amen to that!
Can we call a truce here and get to the real issues?
Why don't we just all acknowledge that FOS needs proof before they post, although they're probably onto something most of the time and do a good job of watching out for our community interests.
Why don't we all just acknowledge that the Tribune is pretty darned fair and balanced and that bringing Suddeath and the Tribune into this discussion is throwing a red herring into what could already be fairly described as a conversation about nonsense?
Why don't we all just acknowledge that Baylor is a brewer not a journalist and stop expecting him to act like one? Sometimes he's onto the truth on his blog, even though most of his and his friends posts are angry rants against the establishment.
Why don't we all just agree to have a fruitful discussion rather than a free-for-all?
Really, I think Shirley's trying to facilitate that for all of us. This can be a great place to exchange ideas and I appreciate being allowed to do this in anonymity. But if we're going to promote things we post as fact, then we must post our names. Otherwise, what we promote as fact cannot be analyzed in context and we cannot be taken seriously.
Thank you, Shirley, for putting up with all of us!
Thank YOU!
There are 850 posts on Freedom of Speech and what do we have to show for it? Most of the 850 posts have been rude, slanderous, childish and insulting. After five years of slander, are we any closer to uncovering some secret, illegal plot in New Albany politics? Hardly!
If Freedom of Speech want to start doing the “good public works” well it’s about time! But for it to do so, it’s going to have to change its tune.
No more slander. No more allegations of crime unless there’s actually evidence of a crime (and no, disagreeing with someone’s politics is not evidence of a crime). If you have proof, show us what it is.
Then and only then will , Freedom of Speech do any type of public service.
Why don't we just all acknowledge that FOS needs proof before they post, although they're probably onto something most of the time
Why do you think "they're probably onto something"? Tell us one crime FOS has uncovered?
This isn’t about if Erik exist. This is about the bigotry portrayed in a tasteless faux interview posted on a website.
1. You still haven't told us how the post is bigotry. The post semi-jokingly portrays the all white CFA "believers" dumb bigots. Show me where it portrays Erik negatively?
2. Attacking your accuser is as old as time. This would have been a better reply.
http://tinyurl.com/4t2t96y
Some people just don't like being called out when they have the wrong facts.
Latest FOS slop about Gonder:
We like many citizens are tired of the rhetoric, deal cutting, grandstanding....
I know John Gonder to be a very honorable man. I'm trying to imagine him Grand Standing on anything.
Do you have evidence that Mr. Gonder has been "deal cutting"?
Shirley, I have enjoyed your blog up until recently. There is a person or persons posting on here that appears overly obsessed with their hatred towards FOS. Honestly they sound quite unstable and it is a concern. We have seen and heard of too many incidences where these type of people have resorted to violence. I encourage you to step up your monitoring and only allow posts that actually deal with the topic and not allow it to be a forum for unstable people to promote their hatred towards others.
@ 10:49 - Well, THANK YOU for asking for a truce! Shirley is pretty gracious to let us continue to get on here, and she writes a fair and balanced blog too!
Back to the original subject, Yes, I thank Rep. Saunders for introducing a bill and our wonderful Ed Clere for supporting it. I'm so glad to see southern Indiana does have a representative in Indy who isn't up there for himself, but is up there for all of US! I've been lucky to work with Ed on a variety of boards down here and I just want to say that I'm glad he's up in Indianapolis stumping for us!
There is a person or persons posting on here that appears overly obsessed with their hatred towards FOS.
Two different things. Hatred, on one hand, and asking FOS to explain its outlandish allegations of corruption, on the other, are two different things.
THIS is a work of hatred.
http://tinyurl.com/6a46bqh
Maybe hatred was too strong a word but we all know there has been a lot of trash talk from a lot of people.
I'm not going to say tht the people at FOS are completely without blame but I do hope that we all keep it civil. Please.
The bottom line is this, if you don't like FOS don't read it. It's just that simple.
Larry Summers for Mayor?
You will get Darrell Mills in 4 years anyway.
Shirley, obviously, each of us who gets on here is responsible for his or her own post. You are right to say that "we need to keep it civil. Please."
Having said that, it is up to each of us to avoid pointing fingers at certain individuals or groups. I have seen people pound on all kinds of individuals. For some reason, these past several days, it's been open season on Vicki Denhart, Freedom of Speech, and Citizens for Accountability.
It is destructive of anyone to constantly attack one individual this much, and to use a group to which that person belongs to compound the attacks is just mean-spirited.
To those who've been lashing out at Vicki, I say this: You may disagree with Vicki. You're entitled to do this. You may not like Vicki. I find this hard to imagine because she has a heart of gold. You may not believe one thing she says, and you're allowed this freedom also.
You have the right to judge as you see fit.
Having said that, however, it is utterly unfair of readers of this blog or any blog to gratuitously attack Vicki or any other hard-working individual who is trying with honesty and thoroughness to seek answers to questions that many in this community have had for at least a DECADE!
How can we, as a community, write a blank check to pay for things that are obviously intended to feed the fattest pig at the trough as much as possible? How can we keep ignoring the reckless spending and over-paid (and under worked) city "employees" and "contract workers?" And don't forget the city bookkeeping. It is LUDICROUS for us to stand by and allow our money to go unaccounted for!!
Vicki and the other "Citizens" deserve far better at your hands than this, people. Disagree if you will, but why don't you consider the time and effort that goes into posts by Freedom of Speech and realize that there is, at a minimum, a grain of truth, and that, just maybe, they're onto something.
I have seen Vicki Denhart show compassion and integrity that surpasses that of the average human being. I have witnessed Vicki putting the well-being of the people of this city of just under 40,000 residents to the point of allowing herself to be the punching bag for the entire rest of Citizens for Accountability.
On top of that, Vicki works more hours on most days of the week than some of our blog contributors do in the entire week! She has no time for shenanigans, but works hard for you and for me in her "spare" time , and I am really in awe of all that she's accomplished!
It is indisputable that we have a city government that is not transparent by any definition of the word. While our city's administration dangles a carrot for the public, Vicki and the Citizens for Accountability look for the meat of the issues, investigating, asking hard questions, and putting information out there for the rest of us to ponder.
So, I ask you, think to yourselves whether your angry, mocking posts are just in a spirit of "fun" or if they're taking your time away from seriously considering figuring out the truth, whatever it may be, for yourselves.
Please, let's be gracious and keep our posts civil. Please.
Dear Anon 7:22
What a touching comment. Vicki is very lucky to have you for a friend.
I do hope the hateful and angry comments are finished, especially those against Vicki and all of the CFA members.
The bottom line is this, if you don't like C. Faux A. don't read it. It's just that simple.
Man, you still don't get it. No one has attached Denhart. Her methods (or lack thereof) have been attacked.
Just being a nice person doesn't give you permission to slander public officials without proof.
newsflash on third district campaign!!!!!
http://tinyurl.com/6zded2e
Nice comment, 7:22. Seriously.
Of course, you feel the same way about me, don't you? Roger? Randy? Jeff? etc.
@10:55 No, YOU don't get it. You use bullying techniques to make people think certain people are "wackos" or aren't doing their jobs. And, no, Mark, I don't feel the same about you, Roger, Randy, Jeff. Stop your gratuitous attacks on good people and try to work WITH those hard workers in our city and district and then I might be able to say the same about you. Prove that you care about our fair city. Proof! Proof! Proof!
@Iamhoosier
Prove that you care about our fair city. Proof! Proof! Proof!
Why do you hate New Albany? :)
Just about what I figured your response would be. All that "be nice" talk only goes one way with you.
Why don't you and I sit down and talk. You can find my email in my blogger profile. I'm not an elected official and have no political power so your anonymity with me is pointless. You up for it? Maybe we might agree more than you think. Maybe not. What's the harm?
"Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own, which is the chief reason for that kind of reception it meets in the world, and that so very few are offended with it."
-Jonathan Swift, preface to The Battle of the Books, 1704
You know, Mark, I would love to believe you. I really would. But I've talked with you before and it didn't go well.
Thanks for the invite, anyway.
This is a long list of crazy talk.
I'm just shaking my head.
There's like ONE person and Shirley who are trying to talk nicely. Otherwise, there's a lot of meanness going around for the entire city!
Why am I not surprised?
By the way, Steve Price and I are able to chat. We did last night after the meeting. Maybe it's not my "problem".
Yes, Mark. You knew what he'd say, that's why you asked him. Duh!
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