Hello Friends,
I have not written a new post about the budget shortfalls because I did not know where to begin. This is certainly a mess as everyone knows.
The worst thing we can to now is point fingers at each other. We all need to work together, the Mayor and his entire administration, the city council and every citizen of New Albany. It will take sacrifices on all of our parts may it be higher taxes or fees or forgoing a salary increase, maybe even a salary cut for the higher paid employees as they did in Louisville.
I certainly don't know the answers and I don't know who does. All I know is this "I told you so" which is going back and forth is not helping anyone.
The council will have an emergency budget meeting soon, I wish them all of the luck in the world.
As citizens we can give them our support and quit complaining.
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I don't know what the average New Albanian looks like either, perhaps the census bureau could help out. If I only hung out at the New Albanian I believe my observations would be subjective.
FF, why do you dislike Bank Street Brewhouse so much? If you don't think the beer is a good value, fine, don't buy it. Most people don't. But why the anti-Roger posts?
"Improving the housing infrastructure in New Albany begins with us.
We have to let our elected officials know that we are tired of the blight. Then we have to keep the pressure on them to enforce the laws that are currently on the books and have been court tested."
Code enforcement doesn't work.
It is not enough
Perfect example is the home that is across the street from me. It is owned by a company in Louisville they own between 150-200 homes in New Albany. The property needs foundation work, new roof, paint job, some repair to the porch and I am sure there needs to be thing done to the inside because the tenants moved out do to mold.
Guess what?
Other than the mold, which is inside, no code violation but the house is a negative factor in the neighborhood.
People who think code enforcement is the answer are wrong.
I must disagree with anon 7:31. Code enforcement does work if the Code Enforcement Officer has the power to enforce the laws and the people "in charge" to back him/her up.
Pam Badger tried but her hands were tied. I don't know the new Code Enf.Officer but I sure wish them luck. It must be very hard to do your job when you do not have the needed authority.
"Improving the housing infrastructure in New Albany begins with us.
We have to let our elected officials know that we are tired of the blight. Then we have to keep the pressure on them to enforce the laws that are currently on the books and have been court tested."
Code enforcement doesn't work.
It is not enough
Perfect example is the home that is across the street from me. It is owned by a company in Louisville they own between 150-200 homes in New Albany. The property needs foundation work, new roof, paint job, some repair to the porch and I am sure there needs to be thing done to the inside because the tenants moved out do to mold.
Guess what?
Other than the mold, which is inside, no code violation but the house is a negative factor in the neighborhood.
People who think code enforcement is the answer are wrong.
NUISANCE BEHAVIOR. Behavior that could be considered to be disruptive, unacceptable to the general public and/or adverse to the health, safety and general welfare of the public, including, but not limited to:
(1) Public consumption of alcoholic beverages;
(2) Loud and/or boisterous behavior that interrupts the peace of neighbors across property lines;
(3) Refusal to obey lawful police directives;
(4) Sale or use of illicit narcotics or controlled substances; and/or
(5) Public gambling or prostitution.
PUBLIC NUISANCE. Any location at which nuisance behavior is demonstrated
takes care of any parties on the patio
130.31 VIOLATIONS.
Any person shall not exhibit nuisance behavior at any time. An owner of real estate shall not allow any guest, tenant, invitee or other persons to exhibit nuisance behavior on his or her premises at any time.
50.03 CONTAINERS
Refuse containers shall be maintained in good condition
the Mayor doesn't have to worry about this one he takes care of his trash can
§ 50.04 GARBAGE TO BE DEPOSITED IN CONTAINERS; NUISANCE.
(A) No person shall place any refuse in any street, alley or other public place or upon any private property, whether owned by the person or not within the city, except it be in proper containers for collection under express approval granted by the Sanitation Superintendent.
Solves the trash dilemma
Can’t put anything outside your trash can anyway. See Garner was right not to include it in the contract. No need for trash fee increase because you will be in violation of the ordinance if you set things next to your can.
91.011 ANIMAL FIGHTING AND EXHIBITION FIGHTING PROHIBITED.
(A) No person shall cause or permit any dogfight, cockfight or other combat between animals.
sorry vick can't live in N A
91.014 SEXUAL ACTS WITH ANIMALS.
No person shall engage or cause to allow any other person to engage in a sexual act with any animal
sorry to ever this applies to
94.42 TYPE AND PLACEMENT
(B) Smoke detectors shall be placed in accordance with applicable N.F.P.A. Standards. Detectors may be ceiling or wall mounted; provided that, if wall mounted they shall be within 12 inches, but not closer than six inches of the ceiling.
Crap my wall mounted detector is 5 inches away from the ceiling I guess I can't rent my sum apartment?
97.02 FAILURE TO KEEP TREES TRIMMED.
It shall be unlawful for any person to fail to keep trees situated on property owned or controlled by him or her properly trimmed and in a safe condition.
hope everyone is keeping their trees trimmed. I know I do
97.04 PERMITTING OFFENSIVE SUBSTANCE TO REMAIN IN CELLAR.
It shall be unlawful for any person to permit any noxious or offensive substance to remain in any cellar, lot or premises.
Sorry Roger your beer has to go
i wish there was a point to this
§ 99.02 POSTING OF HOUSE NUMBERS.
(A) All owners or occupants of commercial or residential buildings located within the city limits should be and are required to conspicuously post their address so as to be easily visible from the street on which the building or home lies.
(B) The address shall be in standard arabic numbers no smaller than three inches high and shall be posted either on the improvements or on a sign or mailbox on the street.
(C) The numbers shall be of a color in contrast to its background so as to be easily read.
(Ord. G-93-156, passed 8-19-1993)
crap again my house numbers are only two inches these ordinances are killing my business
yeah ordinances don't work
Whoever violates any provision of § 99.01 shall be subject to arrest
if you don't move your car for street sweeping you can be arrested
double crap
100.13 COLLECTION OF DONATIONS, FEES AND FINES.
All fees and fines connected to the enforcement of this chapter shall be deposited into the Non-Reverting Tree Fund. Donations from businesses and citizens in support of the New Albany Urban Forestry Program and future tree planting projects shall also be deposited therein.
wow N.A. has a tree fund lets get planting
I'm not anti-Roger, and I'm not anti-New Albanian brew house. If I were I would not have gone a total of 5 times. I want Roger to succeed as a business man, and his business to succeed with him. It is good for New Albany.
I have said several times I'm not against the business doing well.
The part of Roger I don't like is his ego, and the way he writes. You do read his columns right? The man is very arrogant. I have no idea what he is like in person because I have never met him, but the way he carries himself on his blogs and here it's just too much fun to poke fun at him.
I don't cuss Roger. I have made fun of his appearance a few times, but nothing too horrible. I don't think he loses sleep or anything like that. I did make fun of his Bastille Day celebration for its irony, but honestly I really wanted to go and practice my French , but the price was too expensive for me.
Like I said I go to the Brew house to buy beer and food, so I support it.
I guess I think it's funny how people react to Roger and how "worldly" he is. As if no one else has traveled abroad, gotten drunk, and made love to a beautiful French/German/Kiwi women.
I suppose when you are on the outside of the circle things appear differently.
yeah ordinances don't work
let's just get rid of all the ordinance, if you're so insistent they don't work. we'll live just like they do out in the country. we'll put an open cease pool, allow people to burn big open fires, shoot fire arms, keep 200 cows in your yard.
i think there are some rather useful ordinance you left out.
don't just pick and choose to try and prove a point.
"Code enforcement doesn't work.
It is not enough
Perfect example is the home that is across the street from me. It is owned by a company in Louisville they own between 150-200 homes in New Albany. The property needs foundation work, new roof, paint job, some repair to the porch and I am sure there needs to be thing done to the inside because the tenants moved out do to mold.
Guess what?
Other than the mold, which is inside, no code violation but the house is a negative factor in the neighborhood.
People who think code enforcement is the answer are wrong."
Code Enforcement is only a small piece of the larger puzzle to solving the infrastructure problem in the city.
In actuality, since you look adept at researching laws, there is an Indiana State Law that gives you the right as a homeowner to file civil suit against another property owner near your home if the actions or inactions of that property owner become injurous to your property, or and any reasonable way limits your ability to enjoy your home.
You can find the law inthe law and justice section of www.IN.gov
If you have a registered neighborhood association the law has more teeth in it for that.
If civil litigation is not your cup of tea, there is the court of public opinion that you could rake the "company" through.
You can take photos of the properties all day long, as long as you dont trespass, and you can publish those photos as long as they are not presented in a light that misrepresents any persons.
You can call the assessors office and get the name and address of the registered owners.
This is a game I fought and won against an attorney. If you have more specific questions, or would like more information, you can contact me through my profile.
C D all that is true so why do we have our problem?
Because ordinaces are not enough and sueing the neighbor to paint his/her house is not the answer either
peace with you and your families, the best of luck
C D all that is true so why do we have our problem?
Because ordinaces are not enough and sueing the neighbor to paint his/her house is not the answer either
peace with you and your families, the best of luck
Because ordinaces are not enough "and sueing the neighbor to paint his/her house is not the answer either"
how many slum properties do you own?
Our city has the problems we have becuase we have a expectation for government to take care of everything for us.
We expect with one phone call to have our every whim settled, we as a community generally think that complaining louder and more often to the wrong people.
After years of trying to get assistance from teh city to have a slumlord attorney clean up his rental slum, we took him on ourselves, and it took time, patiences, a lot of certified letters, and citing federal,state, and local building codes and housing laws, but we won.
A government can NOT be anymore efficient that the people who elect the officials.
that's the beauty of anonymity. you can advicate for slumlord policies yet claim you're not a slumlord. you can claim you're just an innocent freedom loving apple pie eating american who has no financial stake in the rules.
FF wrote: "I have no idea what he is like in person because I have never met him."
Yep. Pretty much the heart of the issue, isn't it?
10:39 you wanna talk about facts,
the only one who tries to play the poor victim here is Baylor himself.
You know it, we know it, and most people know it.
Maybe you need to get a cd copy of that council meeting like "I did" and than you need to do some serious evaluating of the real issue then apologize to Ms. Denhart and the many bloggers on here.
Did you forget this Chris:
hearsay: second-hand evidence in which the witness is NOT telling what he/she knows personally, but what others have said to him/her.
You never defend someone when you were not there to witness the event.
Were you not a reserved/cop at one time?
Everyone knows Baylor/or that he had someone to put Citizens FAUX Accountability (satire) on blogger.
As far as your comments about: CFA needs to prove they are a PAC, if you really wanted to know the truth and prove Ms. Denhart to be a "liar" why haven't you called Clerk Linda Moeller @948-5415?
I did, and they are a legal PAC.
Again the "hersay" falls into your lap.
How can you and others write so much venom on one person that you do not know?
I've read your previous comments, knowing her sister. Do you know her entire family, are you a neighbor or relative?
Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but deal with the facts as you so often state.
Talk about committing character assassination.
I don't know her, but in the eyes of bloggers here and other people who read this, you are making yourselves look really bad by attacking a women.
Yes, you have the right to your opinion, but you don't have the right to your facts.
If you don't like Freedom Of Speech don't read it. I happen to enjoy reading it, like others do.
I personally applaud anyone who takes on government and any local administration.
It appears to me, she's still standing and doing a great job for us rate payers and tax payers of New Albany.
Most people would respect someone who says, I don't like so and so, but then admit they don't really know them either.
btw, don't you have your own blog?
Everyone knows Baylor/or that he had someone to put Citizens FAUX Accountability (satire) on blogger.
At one time, everyone “knew” the world was flat too.
I know you have no proof that Baylor has anything to do with Citizens Faux Accountability because Baylor is not associated with it. If you had proof, you'd be waivign it around like a flag.
Let me asj again:
WHY WOULD ANYONE THINK THAT ROGER IS THE ONLY CRITIC OF THE COUNCIL OR OF C.F.A.?
There are 37,000 people in New Albany? Can't at least TWO people blog about the Coffey, Price and Denhart's follies? I mean, it's not like any of those people were elected by a landslide. The masses aren't holding up Coffey, Price and Denhart pictures like we're in North Korea.
As far as your comments about: CFA needs to prove they are a PAC, if you really wanted to know the truth and prove Ms. Denhart to be a "liar" why haven't you called Clerk Linda Moeller @948-5415?
I called her two months ago when this claim was first made. She had no idea what I was talking about and said the Clerk's office has nothing to do with PACs.
Show me the statute that says Clerk's deal with PACs.
If you don't like Freedom Of Speech don't read it. I happen to enjoy reading it, like others do.
This is really, really funny on at least two levels.
1. The FOS supporter is tryin to quiet speech about FOS.
2. In the same post, anon blasts other people's blogs. Hey Anon, if you don't like NAC or C Faux A, don't read them!
Hypocrite.
A bunch of you want to castigate Roger for his choice of words toward Ms Denhart at a council meeting. I am certainly not going to justify his use of a particular word but it was in no way an "attack". (I WAS there).
Why don't you same people castigate Ms Denhart for the lie that she was telling? If one was an fault, then both were. If both were NOT at fault, then neither one was.
I love this!
Anonymous posters calling people hypocrites for not allowing anonymous posting.
Anonymous posters calling people hypocrites for posting anonymously.
Anonymous posters resorting to picking apart little things written in age old posts to try and make good people seem like they are bad people.
Anonymous posters worshiping fundamentally corrupt people to seem like good people.
God, I am glad I live in Jeffersonville now.
Hey Vicktser, do you remember who I am yet?
anon 1:09
(I am writing this to replace the previous post, in which I was out of line)
I see the point you are trying to make, but in the end it all comes down to perspectives does it not?
Tit for tat, you know it, I know, we all know it. Most of the unwarranted blog, and public basjing comes from one person. That person has not once offered up ANY credible evidence to back up the accusations that she makes against Roger.
And I stand by what I had said previously, he did a hell of a lot better than I would have done had I been the brunt of all the false accussations, and harrassment that he has been through by certain factions.
I have no need to call or email, or even stop by Linda Moeller's house to ask about the registry of a PAC. According to the Indiana Secretary of States official website under the Elections department, There is only one legally registerd PAC in Indiana that has the phrase "Citizens for Accountability" in the title, and its no where close to here.
As far as me attacking women, hardly so. Do I like Mrs. Denhart? Personally I do not know her, so personally I can not say whether I like her or not.
In regards to her public displays and actions, no I do not like her, I do not like what she represents, I do not like her tactics, and I do not like her manipulation of others to do what she wants done when she can not do it. (I witnessed that at great length at the commission hearing )
When I was pressed with the same time constraints she was at the meeting, instead of cursing and swearing and having to be asked by a city official who was in attendance in an unofficial capacity to not throw any fits or make any scenes, I simply asked, politely, a person who was in attendance with Mrs. Denhart if I me be allowed to breifly speak before they did, that I would limit my comments to less than two minutes, and I would appreciate their consideration, they agreed. I thanked them , waited my turn, kept my word, and thanked them again as I was exiting.
I did not pressure anyone to read my "prepared" statement for me, nor did I curse and swear.
At other meetings I had attended where Mrs. Denhart was there, I have witnessed the same behavior, on many occassions.
I have sat at a family friends house when she had called and something did not go her way, and I could hear over the phone as she was yelling and cursing, and I heard the family friend say "the easiest way to avoid this is quit writing the stuff on that blog of yours".
Have I publicly stated, even on this blog that I agree with some of her ideaologies, just not the methodolgy, yes I have.
Do I think she COULD be a wonderful advocate for this community? yes I think the potential is there, but it is tainted by the, as you but it, venomous behavior, and the ideology of playing the victim card when the actions committed creates a reaction that she is unable to deal with.
I have been involved in MANY highly expolosive political comings and goings in this city. Behind the scenes, and in public, for many years now. And in those years, I have conducted myself in a professional manner, and ALWAYS maintained the documentation from credible sources to back any public forum official proceedings.
And I have been pushed and attacked on here as well with lies, and accusations that are not true, at times I hit my breaking point and defended myself.
And I stood by my comments, and ones where after I cooled off, I retracted those comments which crossed the line.
In essence, this is an issue of the pot and the kettle.
And I am trying to advocate for a postive change and open a dialog between the two main factions in this city, in a repectful manner, where we can all work together to try and improve this city.
In response, you then lay into me.
There are times when I wonder if even the most small attempts to try and heal this community are even worth it anymore, as it would appear that those who just love to stir up trouble seem to keep the upper hand in this assbackwards, stalled out, politically antiquated city.
FYI, I called Mrs. Moeller before 4pm today, and she informed me she herself filed "CFA PAC Paper", and her stamp is on those legal papers.
She told me she would be more than happy to make me a copy.
She also stated underneath the Indiana FOIA, PAC paper's are "public record."
I plan to get a copy tomorrow and ask Mrs. Baird if she would scan them and put them on her blog.
And, finally put these "lies" to rest.
To Mr. Drake, unless both parties are in front of you, everything you write is heresay.
I would like to ask you how many council meetings you have attended?
How many times have you spoken before the council or boards?
Have you ever ran for an office?
Who is your family friend, and who are you referring too? If you are referring to Valla Ann, I know better.
Vicki just happens to be Valla Ann's best friend.
Like it or not, it is what it is.
VAB also told me today she has never discussed Vicki with you or any of your progressive associates.
Your right about one thing, you've never met Ms. Denhart and like the other anonymous person said, your entitled to your opinion but not your own facts.
Iamhoosier,
I was there also. What was wrong with Miss. Denhart stating she didn't want EDIT money coming out of her paycheck used for sidewalks at Pizza Places and sidewalks and patios in front of bars.
Btw, if you done your homework they have used EDIT funds for Pizza Hut sidewalks, and did she mention any names?
No,she did not.
If Baylor had nothing to hide, why did he go off like a roman candle and then try to play the victim?
So are you telling us Baylor's place is the only bar in New Albany with a taxpayer free patio?
Why does he think he's entitled to a tax free patio?
Just because he is a co-owner of a business?
He should not except an entitlement of political favors. There are laws on the books over issues like this.
Unless he can prove he paid for it himself, surely no one here is buying that.
Regardless if it was EDIT or other monies it comes from her tax dollars as much as it comes from yours or mine.
Christopher
You need to think about getting an editor. I can't read Gone with the Wind every time you make a post.
Never said it was Valla Ann, did I? No.
I have been to dozen upon dozens of counsel meetings, just not in the last 12 months.
Spoken at plenty.
With your comments about speaking to Valla Ann about me, unless both parties are present what you are saying is just heresay, correct? (works both ways).
I have considered running for office and then thought there are too many nutcases out there who want to complain about too many squirells eating too many sunflower seeds out their bird feeders.
Want some names to check with regarding her behavior at the meeting earlier in the week? Or would those who could verify this just be heresay also, unless of course it is against someone you guys dont like? Am I correct?
But my oh my you sure do get offended when one of you guys are treated the same way that you all treat others dont you?
FF:
Sorry, and I mean that, sometimes to defend oneself from the anonymous horde, one must make lengthy posts.
One day I will wake up and realize it is no good to even try.
one side note for clarification:
Many years ago, Valla Ann and I agreed that we would not discuss the blogsphere, or much politics.
The acquaintanceship I have with Valla Ann has little or nothing more to do with this, other than an attempt by you to present YOUR assumption that is who I was referring to.
Why does he think he's entitled to a tax free patio?
YOU need to get your facts straight.
Roger has never claimed to be entitled to a tax free patio, nor has he ever received a tax free patio.
The property owner, from whom Roger's business rents, did ask for and did receive an improved sidewalk.
Spread your lies, try try try.
People know who's a liar and who's not. Keep on making an ass of yourself. Sometimes the Courier-Journal will quote you when you make an ass of yourself and sometimes only we blog-types here it.
Linda must be lying because she told me she has no idea why anyone would ask her about a PAC.
I did make fun of his Bastille Day celebration for its irony, but honestly I really wanted to go and practice my French , but the price was too expensive for me.
I don't see the irony. Yes, Roger's business is a capitalists business. Yes, he celebrates Bastille Day, May Day, has little Red Stars on his brewing equipment, talks about fascists. Maybe it's not irony because maybe he's not supporting all elements of any one political movement/philosophy. Maybe it's just a let's have fun with world history theme. I've spoken with Roger a number of times. When we have talked politics, it has been local politics purely. Never have we discussed a workers revolutions of the freeing of political prisoners a couple hundred years ago in France.
Hell, I think it's ironic that you can have a place called "Rain Forest Burger" that serves beef that came from cattle grazing on recently cleared rain forest in Brazil. I think it's ironic that McDonald's has a health menu or Froot Loops has a healthy eating label because, in the words of one health expert, "it's healthier than a doughnut." I think it's ironic that people consider Roger's beer exotic when Budweiser is owned by a Dutch conglomerate and Roger's a brewed right around the corner.
To each his own irony.
I think it's ironic that you can have a group called Citizens for Accountability,
-yet they don't represent the interest of most New Albany citizens,
-they have a "President" yet not another member,
-they're mad there's Citizens Faux Accountability website yet won't take the time to put up a website themselves,
-are for "accountability" in government spending but, as illustrated by recent CJ comments, don't understand enough about city finance to know when then city is accountability and when they're not
-refuses to be accountable themselves by backing up any of their wild claims with facts, documentation, proof of any kind.
-spends more money on "no" signs then they ever would have paid in additional taxes from the LOIT or weening sewer off EDIT,
-wants to claim to represent the citizens yet won't let others join by publishing a newsletter, mailing address, phone number, or requests for donations, and doesn't hold up meetings,
-says they're all about issues yet only wants to talk about Roger's langauge,
-has refused to publish a proposed city budget and tell us exactly, in detail, which services CFA would cut to get its desired level of taxes/spending.
Until CFA does these things, no one will take it seriously.
Roger, feel free to use last post as theme for future column. All C Faux A material is public domain if used for the cause.
-Satirist.
Christopher
You need to think about getting an editor. I can't read Gone with the Wind every time you make a post.
And you criticize others for being arrogant and rude?
I would have worded differently.
Why does he think he's entitled to a tax free patio?
Just because he is a co-owner of a business?
He should not except an entitlement of political favors. There are laws on the books over issues like this.
That's really, really funny.
Funny because I thought the laws on the books said government can invest in infrastructure to attract and retain business, businesses which invest here and employ our people.
Tell me, oh wise anonymous, to which law are you referring? Show us the specific statute or ordinance.
I dare you.
"Funny because I thought the laws on the books said government can invest in infrastructure to attract and retain business, businesses which invest here and employ our people."
What laws are you referring to?
I think it's ironic that you can have a group called Citizens for Accountability,
-yet they don't represent the interest of most New Albany citizens
No, Roger I would disagree they actually do represent the majority of New Albany that is why you hate CFA so much
did she mention any names?
no she did not that is why she got the better of Roger because she didn't and he still was an ass.
I love this!
Anonymous posters calling people hypocrites for not allowing anonymous posting.
Anonymous posters calling people hypocrites for posting anonymously.
your an idiot anonymous posters calling people who say not to post anonymously and then post anonymously are hypocrites like Roger. Look up the definition please
"Christopher
You need to think about getting an editor. I can't read Gone with the Wind every time you make a post.
And you criticize others for being arrogant and rude?
I would have worded differently."
Actually FF was right. As I said the other night there is wisdom in brevity.
Thank you though.
Pretty much the heart of the issue, isn't it
Yeah, you’re a jerk on your blog and you’re a jerk in your column and you’re a jerk
C D I like you
Even though I think your defense of a hypocrite like Roger is misguided you seem to be a good person with good convictions New Albany is lucky to have you
typed with sincerity
Correction you're an idiot not your
but who cares the point is made
Thank you. I think :)
Anonymous posters resorting to picking apart little things written in age old posts to try and make good people seem like they are bad people
not try to make good people seem bad
point out what seems to be a good person's bad
A bunch of you want to castigate Roger for his choice of words toward Ms Denhart at a council meeting. I am certainly not going to justify his use of a particular word but it was in no way an "attack". (I WAS there).
A lot of people was there and it was an attack like anon said before she never mentioned his name He made an ass of himself there, he makes an ass of himself in his column, and he makes an ass of himself on his blog.
Now if he wasn’t a hypocrite there would be no room to say such so go back to twitterville and talk about people you hypocrite
Shirley is a good person too, C. D. I have never read a malicious thing Shirley has ever written and I feel people respect her opinion even if it is different. Shirley is an example of how not to be a hypocrite. It would behoove our “non bias” local paper to replace Nash and Roger’s column with an outstanding citizen like Shirley.
Typed with Sincerity
It is funny how Roger was telling Shirley what to do on her blog when I have never see any negative post about Shirley It takes a very big hypocrite to tell someone how to run their blog when that person is in need of the advice
"I did make fun of his Bastille Day celebration for its irony, but honestly I really wanted to go and practice my French , but the price was too expensive for me."
"I don't see the irony. Yes, Roger's business is a capitalists business. Yes, he celebrates Bastille Day, May Day, has little Red Stars on his brewing equipment, talks about fascists"
Are you agreeing with FF?
"It would behoove our “non bias” local paper to replace Nash ..."
Respectfully, I would submit to you that Shirley is free to submit opinions and letters to the Editor at the tribune, just the same as Matt Nash, Roger Baylor, Vicki Denhart, or you and I for that matter.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
~Thomas Paine
A slight hijack....
Check this out and see if we cant at least all agree on this:
http://newalbanyeyesores.blogspot.com/2009/10/and-now-for-another-eyesore-and-blatant.html
Copy and paste in browser.
anon accuses roger of getting a free patio.
another anon says "prove it!?
first anon says, "i dont have to prove it....the accused has been accused, burden on him to disprove."
___
WOW, guilty until proven innocent. anon TRULY is unamerican. guilty until proven innocent, isn't that how they did it in communist russia?
and she goes to "patriot" marches.
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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i'm rolling on the floor so much i won't need to vacuum tomorrow!
chris, checked out the flickr stream. who' the landlord? please name names.
at least the place comes with a cute barred owl.
have a little faith, dear anon.
roger isn't the only one capable of hitting the "Anonymous" button.
again! i repeat again. roger isn't the only person who dislikes coffey's bullying, price's cluelessness, or denhart's failure to talk real policy.
a lot of people are disenchanted.
you can pretend CFA represents the majority of new albanians, but where's your membership roster?
Citizens Faux Accountability had 1400 page views in last month. how many did the "PAC's" website have?
how do i join CFA again?
where was your office?
how do i attend a meeting?
who's your staff?
what's your phone number?
where's your policy proposals?
FF uses sentences that begin "the average new albanian..." yet admits in the next post s/he doesn't know what the "average new albanian" looks like....
who's talking about things s/he doesn't understand now?
yeah price, where's your plan?
Denhart and Price didn't say a word about Chalfant's Economic Revitalization Area vote. Double Standard?
Okay I'll tell you....
The average New Albanian person who lives downtown is trash. They smoke too much, they drink too much, and they don't pay their bills, nor do they pay taxes because they make so little.
There.
Oh, and they eat a lot of fast food and products with high fructose corn syrup in the ingredients.
Chris you are a nice guy, I don't mean to sound harsh. I want to read all of what you post, but it takes more time. Sometimes it is best to just wrap it up.
For comparative reason Chris is kind person on the internet. His sincerity is noticeable even through this medium. Roger is the opposite of all those things.
Maybe, Maybe, Maybe?
Why don't you just freaking ask Roger if you speak to him all the time!?
Where the hell is Roger anyways? He use to love to get involved a lot on this blog, and defend statements made about him.
I'm getting a vision of Billy D. Williams, and a bald headed guy with some star trek looking head gear. Know what I mean?
No one ever answered my question from before. Do I get a guest column in the Tribune for having gotten drunk in Europe also? Or, do I need to sniff one of the editors butts first?
By the way I got drunk in Brazil and Argentina too. Some of you seem to like to hear that kind of story.
http://www.axesandalleys.com/Index/aa005/lobot2.jpg
Okay after this I'm going to stop.
I just looked at the NA Confidential site, and the picture of Fringe Fest looks horrible. Who takes and post pictures on that site? You need to fire that person. It looks like a boring family reunion that got rained out, or people getting ready to go work construction in the morning.
I hope the person with his back to everyone spins around to show everyone his face painted like Gene Simmons or something like that.
Seriously, that looks as boring as the boring aspects of the Harvest Homecoming you criticized earlier.
FRINGE FEST 2009!
EVERYONE IS GOING TO SIT AROUND OR STAND! YYYYYYYEAH!
IT'LL BLOW YOUR MIND.
Please give some more details about last night.
I will try to be brief.
FF stated it was confusing as to why I have a tendency to defend Roger, (not that he needs my help), and basically the summary is like this:
I don’t always agree with what he says or how he says it, he knows this, and there are many others who know this as well.
#1 He is not afraid to invest in our city, his products are sold elsewhere locally other than BSB and the Public House, this all contributes to our local economy.
#2 Despite the fact I don’t always agree with what he says, he has the testicular fortitude to ALWAYS put his name to what he says, and I respect that. Even if he is out numbered 1000 to 1, he will put his name to his opinion. It is fundamentally important to protect that right.
Honestly, I would more than likely be willing to defend anyone who will stand behind their statements and not hide behind anonymity, regardless if I agree or disagree with what they say.
No one ever answered my question from before. Do I get a guest column in the Tribune for having gotten drunk in Europe also? Or, do I need to sniff one of the editors butts first?
Actually, Matt already answered your question, FF. But I'll answer it again. Please have your pencil and paper ready.
(a) You get a column because you can write, but more importantly, you get it because you can write on deadline every week.
(b) You get a column because you can write in such a manner that anonymous (or pseudonymus) blog posters can't help reading and making nasty comments about, even though they say they hate it and will quit carrying the paper, by deity!
(c) You get a column only if you agree to put your real name alongside it, as Matt noted.
Did I leave anything out?
Where's Roger? Where he always is, which is to say, virtually everyone knows who I am, where I am, and how to contact me if he or she wishes to have a serious conversation about anything: Council cowardice, drinking in Mongolia, or the baseball playoffs.
The reason I don't always comment here is that it's a waste of my time to converse with hooded people -- and as this thread clearly indicates, there's next to nothing serious about this "conversation."
BTW, come on down to Fringe Fest for the really good beer downtown during HH.
FF, I got drunk in Tokyo, Shanghai, China, London,Paris, Spain and Bermuda does that qualify me as a world traveler too?
Sake is some dangerous stuff, it sneaks up on you awful fast!
Anyone notice them over flows on Spring Street?
Don't you usually fix the drainage and sewers before you pave?
Not in this town you don't.
Hey guy's, Roger's back and he's give us a multiple choice test. Get your crayons sharpen!
WOW!!!!!!!He sure sobbered up awful fast.
Who said anything about being "sobber"?
Now, "sober" is another matter.
I'm not sure I'm that, either.
I guess if nothing else, we can can look at this like our own local tabloid, and baylor is the clebrity du jour! Can you people not find anything better to talk about?
Um Chris, I didn't ask you why you have a tendency to defend Roger, that was someone else.
Thank you for you answer Roger, but I do not like the smell of poo, or a circle that involves jerking.
You drink at the Mag bar? The beer they have really sucks from your perspective.
No, Anon. getting drunk in Singapore makes you an international kid toucher.
Boy FF sounds like a certain Trib writer.
Sorry for the confusion FF.
nice hooters on page three C D
FF, I got drunk in Tokyo, Shanghai, China, London,Paris, Spain and Bermuda does that qualify me as a world traveler too?
Roger FF never said anything about being a world traveler if your going to post anonymously or have one of your freinds do it for you make sure they read what is written first
I guess if nothing else, we can can look at this like our own local tabloid, and baylor is the clebrity du jour! Can you people not find anything better to talk about?
No Roger and the take credit for everything that happens positive progressives is the antagonist who put themselves out and pollute the waters for people really trying to make a positive deference.
If they had half a brain they would fallow C.D. and Shirley's lead and not be jerks when people do not believe the way they do.
Who's the problem for New Albany right now is people who associate with Roger because he pulls them down to a lower level. Who is it Gardner, Overton, the City Council, Coffey or Price as individuals or anonymous people who are the problems in New Albany or is its Roger's feel sorry for me when people act the way I act with hatred toward life in general.
You want to know who a real man is? C.D.. Hell, FF criticized him for little or nothing and C.D. had , as he said, testicular fortitude to tell someone defending him that FF was right. That he strives to be better after being criticized. What a F***en man and person to be able to self evaluate after being criticized.
Roger and his friends are not of that caliber.
The reason I don't always comment here is that it's a waste of my time
like your columns about nothing but your boring trips, beer, hatred toward religon, council people or what ever you hate that week
Don't hate Roger, he's a funny guy.
Are there a lot of fights at the New Albanian?
Yet, you still read them. Or do you have them read to you?
I don't care what anyone says, "James Madison" is no excuse for that kind of anonymity. Just plain cowardice.
Trib writer? what is that?
I have to admit I'm lost by some of these abbreviations on here.
I'm as anonymous as your average NABC customer. Do you know every single person that comes to the brew house?
By the way $2 fries is an excellent idea.
The $7 main course was great too. I'd pay a $1 extra for a better meal any day. The $6 pork chop sandwich wasn't even close to being as good as the duck.
Good job guys, seriously.
I'm sure there will be more people tomorrow as the weather clears up.
Did anyone notice the Bison burger and vegan wrap on Bank St.? That is different than your average food fair at the HH.
I never claimed to be James Madison, he's dead.
Actually you have never asked me my name. You are too busy calling anon people cowards. So according to your logic NA Confidential is a coward.
Jeff
You eat and drink at a public restaurant while armed security watches over you.
Who are you calling a coward?
Opps, I meant that for lamHoosier.
It's easy to confuse both of you sometimes.
Come to think of it Bluegill, and IamHoosier are as anonymous to me as I am to them. I know that one of your names is Jeff, and I know other people know you personally, but I have no idea who you are. I don't know you personally. Chris I know vaguely.
Tell me again what's so important about anonymity?
What is it I have said in the past that would make a difference if you knew my name?
I'm not a business owner, I'm not a council member, I don't even own a house, so you couldn't look me up in the phone book to throw stones in my widows. Is that why you want to know my name?
chuck
FederalFarmer
One thing you need to understand, if most of these progressives don't agree with you, but mostly Baylor, he will slam you here or on his blog. He continues to slam Coffey, Price and Denhart because they each have out smarted him. He is the coward, he can't stand up to the council in person, he slams them behind a keyboard.
It's like someone once told me, who cares who is writing on this blog. Everyone has an opinion and each have something to say.
Who has divided this city? It boils down to the haves and have-nots. Should one business person be given special treatment? Should a certain developer get special treatment? Should one part of town be given special treatment? Does it really matter if you live on Spring Street, Main Street or Oak St? Are you any better than anyone else? Shouldn't each property every neighbothood be as important than the other? If you live in a $250,000 home and I live in a $75,000 should you be entitled to better sidewalks, paved streets, street sweepers and more police protection? What is happening in New Albany, it has becoming class war-fare and a sense of entitlement. Now we wonder why our city is in the mess it is in.
Our country is in a mess and so is are city.
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution.
anon 8:44 You nade a lot of sense.
typo:made
In other news...
After CM's Gonder and McLaughlin came out to have a look see at that house on my blog, and took they photos back with them, the next morning, The Building Commission Office had a change of heart, and came out after they called and said they had people out taking pictures the night before (ummm... My pictures)
The house looks as though it has been condemned!
Dear Anon 8:44.
Your claims of class warfare could not be more off base.
Haves and have nots? Who has been most against affordable housing in New Albany? Price, Coffey, and Denhart were more interested in making sure Linden Meadows flopped. They were not interested in fixing its problems.
I agree with you that ALL neighborhoods deserve quality sidewalks and streets. But that's not what Price argues. He says NO neighborhood AT ALL should have street or sidewalk work done.
Again, the "one business person" get special treatment is a lie. If you're talking about Roger's $50,000 LOAN, that came from Horseshoe Foundation, not tax payer money. Also, two other businesses have also taken $50,000 loans from Horseshoe.
"One business person"? Ask Wick's Pizza. He'd be interested in knowing that he got the only sidewalk paving in town. Why doesn't anonymous open a place downtown; the city will give you a sidewalk too. What? YOU HAVEN'T ASKED FOR A SIDEWALK. Well give us ONE example of someone who wanted a new sidewalk, who made the investment, and who was denied the sidewalk.
CLASS WAREFARE? "Progressives" want more enforcement of slum rental properties? I guess you're saying that progressives only want this because they are the rich people who live in slum rental properties? What they hell are you saying? If Denhart, Coffey and Price REALLY CARED about the quality of housing for poor people in New Albany, then THEY WOULD BE THE PEOPLE pushing for improved inspections of rental properties. But they're NOT!
what HAVE coffey and price done to help poor people? it's not like coffey and price have been working on some plan to:
- improve low income housing,
- improve affordable healthcare options,
- improve social services for new albany's poor,
- bring in job training, or
- bring in jobs.
what HAVE the done?
This sum's up what Denhart has done for New Albany's low income people.
http://citizens-for-accountability.blogspot.com/2009/08/c.html
Class warfare? You'd think she's out to make all New Albany poor suffer.
some people want new construction and new businesses in new albany. coffey fights to keep new businesses out of downtown. how are we going to get good jobs as long as coffey keeps trying to keep out employers?
I would like to address the class warfare statement since I am generaaly catagorized as "one of them progressives"
I am considered in pay only to be "middle class". I choose to stay in a home in an older neighborhood, because I dont feel like spending all my money on a house payment.
I spent my worklife, ensuing the empoverishde have access to comprehensive, quality healthcare.
Included in this is "case management" to ensure that the families receive ALL the care they need, health, social, mental, and nutritional.
I have always sided with "lower income" families and advocated that because a person is poor that does mean they have to live in a hovel.
I dont think there is a single "progressive" that wants any "lower income" people driven out of town.
In my opinion, "progressives" want more hometown business to create more jobs for more local families, to create an infrastructure where a person who rides a bike out of necessity is more safe and comfortable doing so in town.
For better, cleaner, safer neighborhoods to raise families in. To have equal representation, and attention from the local government and its services.
Progressive to me is almost like turning back the hands of time to an era in city where all of these things were there, and we lost somewhere along the way in our attempts at making our city more "politically correct" and conservatively functional.
The median household income for the Louisville-Southern Indiana Metropolitan Statistical Area is approximately $50,000.
Coffey, Price and Denhart act like if you make $40,000 or $50,000 a year you are somehow an elite, rich person who can't understand the plight of average people.
Give me a break!
damn, if I made $40,000 I'd be so happy!
I'd blow most of it on traveling.
"I dont think there is a single "progressive" that wants any "lower income" people driven out of town"
Actually I consider myself a progressive but not a N.A. "Hate Group Progressive"
I do think that a certain amount of poor people need to be "driven out" ,to use your words, but I would look at it more progressively by pointing to research that shows when there is a high concentration of poverty in one place it feeds on itself. New Albany is a perfect example of this. Gary Indiana is another example but with a different demographic and I have the video to prove it.
C.D. your mode of thinking is out of date if you consider yourself a progressive you need to be with the leading social urban thinking. Leaving the citizen in an environment where a “culture of poverty” can be sustained is doing the very people you wish to help harm. I will do my best to post some research on Urban Geography but I am having a hard time locating my empirical material.
"To have equal representation, and attention from the local government and its services."
If I find the Federal research that I'm looking for it will address the issue of government services and how concentrating them in urban cores lead to a gravity effect on poor/low income households. Creating the very environment that grows poverty. The Lincoln Heights Development in Chicago is an extreme example of this.
"The median household income for the Louisville-Southern Indiana Metropolitan Statistical Area is approximately $50,000.
Coffey, Price and Denhart act like if you make $40,000 or $50,000 a year you are somehow an elite, rich person who can't understand the plight of average people.
Give me a break!"
I will give you better statistical facts. If you did make between $40-50,000 you would be in the elite status.
The median income for a household in the city was $34,923, and the median income for a family was $41,993. A Family is considered 4 individuals. Males had a median income of $31,778 versus $24,002 for females. The per capita income for the city was $18,365. About 11.4% of families and 13.7% of the population were below the poverty line, including 21.6% of those under age 18 and 9.1% of those age 65 or over. Breaking New Albany into the three growth trends with pre-1950, 1950-1980, and 1980-2000. The pre-1950 which makes up most of “Old New Albany” has an average “45%” poverty rate. 15%-20% of New Albany qualifies for earned-income tax credit. 2000 census.
They are paid not to work by the Federal Government.
Roger, I owe you an apology. I'm probably as over weight as you are. Have you lost some weight in the past couple of months?
Yes, sometimes I'm an ass.
Looks like KidCharlemagne has his Anonymous suit on tonight.
Coffey, Price, Denhart fight the elites, they fight the YMCA.
Only in New Albany is the YMCA an elitist organization.
I will give you better statistical facts. If you did make between $40-50,000 you would be in the elite status.
The median income for a household in the city was $34,923, and the median income for a family was $41,993.
So half the families in New Albany are elites? What's your point?
Throwing around the label "elite" is just name calling, nothing more, nothing less.
I don't think New Albany public school teachers who make $60,000 a year or New Albany firefighters who make $80,000 a year consider themselves to have some special power privilege.
If you make $50,000 per year, so what?
Does that mean our elected officials bow down to you? No.
Does that mean certain laws don't apply to you? No.
Does it mean some anonymous clueless people will call you an elite? Maybe.
Does it mean absolutely anything else? No.
"C.D. your mode of thinking is out of date if you consider yourself a progressive you need to be with the leading social urban thinking. Leaving the citizen in an environment where a “culture of poverty” can be sustained is doing the very people you wish to help harm"
I appreciate your input. I was merely attempting to point out that as being labeled as one who was engaging in class warfare, that simply is not the case.
As far as statistics, poverty does tend to increase crime, and poverty does tend to breed poverty. However, it is unrealistic and unfair to think that we can or should eliminate the poor from our community. All we can do is ensure that the poor in our community are afforded the same protectiosn under the laws as the middle calss and upper class receive.(housing codes, health codes, infrastructure support, ect)
Thanks again though for your input!
I don't think New Albany public school teachers who make $60,000
What schools are talking about?
No teacher in Floyd County makes $60,000 not even a teacher with 30yrs experience and plus 30 education makes that figure.
C.D. Being concerned for low income people does not make you an elitist but supporting poor urban planning would be supporting those very things that you wish to help eliminate like:
"All we can do is ensure that the poor in our community are afforded the same protectiosn under the laws as the middle calss and upper class receive.(housing codes, health codes, infrastructure support, ect)"
“I spent my worklife, ensuing the empoverishde have access to comprehensive, quality healthcare”
By not identifying the core elements of “Cultured Poverty” and addressing them directly will your efforts be reactionary and in vain. Reducing the concentration of poverty in New Albany’s urban core is one of those elements.
"Looks like KidCharlemagne has his Anonymous suit on tonight"
If you are referring to FF comments about your weight I ensure you FF, KidChar, and Anon are not the same person. Even if your sense or since of proof you believe is accurate.
If you think that pointing out Charlemagne, FF, or anonymous postings are contradictory or hypocritical. Please show where did any of them say not to. Unlike you.
I think FF's apology is sincere.
I would also encourage him not to make personal comments about someone’s physical characteristics even though I believe it was following your lead Roger or not doing anything you haven’t already done yourself
I know it is hard for you to understand how you think you are "perceived" in a bad light. When you are surrounded by people that only agree with you and encourage you you are a bad light
Obfuscate to your heart's content, anonymous, but "Kid Charlemagne" is still my favorite Steely Dan song.
"I don't think New Albany public school teachers who make $60,000"
Think again. They don't fresh out of school, but as they near retirement, many make $60,000.
Reducing the concentration of household below federal poverty levels is not a feasible option.
There will always be those who are in a worse economic situation than others.
As such, we have to be reactionary to the problems that have been created by years of neglect to those areas.
Forcing "slumlords" to have houses up to minimum standards is a start.
I do not support or condone poor urban planning. The revitalization of our core neighborhoods, and older sections of town are paramount at both improving infrastructure, as well as increasing tax bases to procure monies to support governmental services at least on par to the minimum acceptable standards.
And just to clarify, not all "poor" people live in dumps, many make their properties the best they can, it may not be as visually attractive as mansion row, but the people care for the most part. This is another situation where a small percentage create a perception that the entire demographic is the same.
shibboleth Roger
teachers in floyd county max out at 46,443 after 14 yrs earning your masters and plus 30, which is the same credits as a P.H.D. is another question
There are two different conversations going on here.
One is about median income. Another is about salary.
Income is salary PLUS other sources of revenue, such as stock dividens, appreciation on sale of real estate, rents, interest, etc.
If you’re about ready to retire, and have $500,000 portfolio fixed income assets, earning a measily 4% interest, that’s $20,000 in income which is in addition to your salary.
Plus, teachers often earn additional income for teaching after school programs and summer school.
Trust me, there are plenty of school teachers in Floyd Co. with $60,000/yr incomes, even if their salary is less.
But, for argument sake, let’s say no teacher in Floyd has ever had total income over $40,000. I guess that means the firefighters and police officers are the only elites in town. You still haven’t told me what “elite” means.
“Elite” is something you call someone when you don’t like what they’re saying but you can’t think of logical arguments to refute it.
FF,
No, I have never asked your name. I knew that you would be too cowardly to post it. Why is that, again?
Now, as for James Madison, do the Federalist Papers ring a bell. I believe that they were used to justify anonymity. And actually, if you always post with the "FF" my James Madison comment was not directed at you. At least not directly in this instance. Are you the center of the earth?
No rocks from me, I'm pretty much a law abiding citizen and a chicken.
Telling Jeff and I apart shouldn't be that hard. Jeff writes a gazillion times better than I do.
Still waiting to hear what Denhart, Coffey and Price have done for New Albany, other than trying to get the elitist YMCA out of town.
I believe you are right IamHoosier Jeff does write better than you because I'm having difficulty trying to understand your point.
"Why is that?" I don't know you're the one calling me cowardly, and then asking that question. I never called myself cowardly.
I think you are a coward for not asking me my name. But, like I said before if you knew my name you really wouldn't care that much.
Steely Dan is a horrible band in general, and Kid Charlemagne is not the best song, it's Dirty Work.
So you think I'm remembercharlemange huh? That's funny. Have you seen remembercharlemange? Do you know what he or she looks like? Where they at your establishment on Friday and Saturday evening?
I have no idea if the person you are talking about was there, but I sure was.
I was curious about something, and please don't take this as harsh criticism.
Why is it that all the micro brews in the area, BBC, Cumberland, and NAlbanian, taste the same? They all have a very strong hops flavor to them. Is this the new progressive American way of brewing beer? "Hey my Miller doesn't have much taste to it. Here add some hops and it will add more flavor." I'm not a beer connoisseur like you all, but just adding hops to beer doesn't make it taste better.
Are you familiar with the brews in Portland, Oregon? More specifically Rouge? I think they brew some of the best American beer. It's got smooth flavor, but not through a tremendous amount of hops. Double dead guy is one of my favorite.
What's your take?
Do you think adding yeast would help?
Because thes questions are about beer, I'll provide a perspective.
Craft brewers don't use more hops as a means of adding flavor to the flavorless. Rather, they brew styles intended to be hoppier because craft beer consumers in search of more flavor buy them.
I wrote about Rogue last week in LEO: http://leoweekly.com/dining/mug-shots-if-you-tap-it-they-will-drink
Rogue uses quite a lot of hops, but the brewery has a very distinctive house character derived from its yeast and fat malt body.
And: My mention of "Kid Charlemagne" was not intended as a reference to FederalFarmer.
Professor Eric is an Elite. I mean, he has a Ph.D, right? He should be forced to leave New Albany. Elites like educated college professors are not welcome here.
I will nibble on the bait thrown out...
Hey FF, would it be to out of the way if I were to ask ou what at least your first name is?
Not at all Chris.
My first name is Jeremy
Jeremy,
Nice to meet you.
Mark
But, for argument sake, let’s say no teacher in Floyd has ever had total income over $40,000. I guess that means the firefighters and police officers are the only elites in town. You still haven’t told me what “elite” means.
Jeff I don't care what "elite means" I never use that term myself. I was using it because it was the term being used to describe teachers and I disagree.
Anonymity for one is settled FF is Jeremy may peace reign between him and people of N. A. blog world
now everything FF will say has more meaning
three cheers for names
hip hip hooray
hip hip hooray
hip hip hooray
What does your class cover at IUS Roger?
When I heard that you teach a class for making beer I thought it would by fun to learn. I like the idea more then I would like to drink what I would be making but like anything you create for yourself it is a good time.
Your concept of BSB is a very nice idea too. I would think it is fun being Sam from Cheers. I am sorry but I have not patron your business I am more of a wine person but I have been to Richo's.
I would have to agree with FF I am not big on hoppy beer either. I agree with your dislike of Bud,Miller,Coors,and the like but I really like Keystone Light now that is a good beer.
I don't care if you or your land lord got a loan for 50,000 If I was the Mayor and a business person wanted to open a business downtown and the city had the money and the Mayor had the power I would grant it to your business but if I found out you were so negative I would think twice.
The loan did not come from the Mayor/City. It came from Horseshoe Foundation.
See this Business First Article:
http://austin.bizjournals.com/louisville/stories/2009/03/16/daily54.html?t=printable
try again
http://austin.bizjournals.com/
louisville/stories/2009/03/16/
daily54.html?t=printable
a persons personal behavior, if not illegal, should have no bearing on economic incentives to help the city prosper, the creation of jobs, and the revitalization of an area.
I don't care where it came from. Personally I wouldn't take a single penny from the Shoes they are a drain on the local economy to much money goes to Nevada.
What I before is what I said if you understand differently that is fine
I think every casino should be shut down in Indiana and only leave the Orange county casino. It is owned and operated by an Indiana businessman. Almost every dollars spent there stays in the state.
Names mean taking responsibility for what you say(write). It has nothing to do with adding more "meaning".
Why is that such a difficult concept for some people?
Mark, that may mean something face to face but not here.
FF is right you don't know him, you would not know him if he gave you his name a name is nothing. A name is nothing . If any one is a coward it would be the one using it to post through the blog world and not face to face.
There is always the risk that someone may know "you" and that would tend to make most people a little more "thoughtful" about what they write or allege. So, I respectfully disagree with your position. It's about making this experience more "face to face" and, hence, more responsible.
And yet CFA/FOS will not allow people to meet with them, nor will they answer challenges to have an open debate.
So what does that say using your logic? COWARDS, right?
I don't care about CFA
I don't care about anonymity
If you want face to face hold a meeting
cowards are the only people using that term through a computer
When can I attend CFA's next meeting? I'm willing to pay if there is a membership fee. Just tell me how I attend or get on the email list.
Email cliff.rhoadsNA@gmail.com
Thanks
I'm at pratically every city council meeting. I have been to the podium to speak to the council(when allowed to). I have an email address in my profile, so anyone can contact me if they would like to meet and discuss an issue. My full name is known and available. I take responsibility for what I say and do.
You dictionary certainly has a different defintion of cowardice than mine does.
yeah a person who calls people cowardy through a computer and not face to face
you set yourself up for that one
coward: one who lacks courage or shows shameful fear or timidy
not a person who uses anonymity
the same people your calling cowardly have talked in public, wrote letters to a public paper with their names etc.
Some people don't what to have people emailing them all the time or calling them. So putting your email out just means no one else is and you want email, sad.
Look Roger is right about this being a waist of time. I tell that to myself all the time. I do have fun with it. I don't know if I like you or Roger anymore I don't really care but you need to get your heads out of your butts and learn that people don't alway agree with your point of veiw and anonymity is one of them. And Roger post anonymously.
Sorry for the grammer
Mark I don't think you write that bad. I don't really care how you write I will make an effort to understand what your message is.
you do not have to be a pulitzer prize winner to make your point
I do think Jeff is a good writer and I like how Roger writes but not what he writes about.
A true coward would call another person a coward on a blog. If they knew who that person was, and did not tell them to their face, but instead on a blog, that would be cowardly.
If you want to call me a coward name the street corner, time, and I will be there.
Why would you want to fill your email with a bunch of spam people could put on it?
I get little email to the account that I list on my profile. It is not my "main" email address, so it is easy to clean up the spam that occurs there. Thanks for thinking that I am so stupid as to use my "main" email account as a contact point from a blog.
7:47,
Uh, that makes no sense, at all. I'm not the one hiding.
8:49,
What do you call people who call other people names, make accusation with no proof, etc and do it anonymously? Shameful? Timid? Go back and read your definition. Truth hurts, doesn't it?
What do you call people who call other people names, make accusation with no proof, etc and do it anonymously? Shameful? Timid? Go back and read your definition
I call them Roger, Mark, and Jeff
I love you Mark
If you read todays Tribune (don't waste your money as a purchase) this is the reason the Tribune is going broke.
Roger wonders why he is so disliked.
The day he runs for office, is the day I will come out of the closet with my name. He truly must get off in this sh*t.
He's a real jerk!
If nothing else, I do hope that some of you realize that I try to be consistent. I even call out anonymous bloggers that I tend to agree with politically.
I disagree, with Ms Denhart probably 99.5% of the time. Yet I chastised an anonymous blogger for comparing her initials to a social disease. If you are going to do things like that, at least be man/woman enough not to hide.
The day he runs for office, is the day I will come out of the closet with my name.
When you decide to come out of the closet is a personal matter, as is your orientation generally speaking.
Until your conscience rules, know that (a) I thank you for reading, and (b) the newspaper appreciates you bolstering its web site's hit count.
Ta ta, and all that.
That jerk has the courage to sign his name when calling people names.
"Tribune is going broke."
Prove it.
once again through a blog not face to face who is the coward?
Mark, Roger, Jeff
your name means nothing here
Mark, Roger, Jeff ... your name means nothing here.
Are these the lyrics to "Copperhead Road," or "Crawling King Snake?"
Mark,
I don't always agree with you, but I totally agree with your recent comments.
I know Ms. Denhart from taking care of a cousin of mine, who was in a motor cycling accident. I can say one thing I do know about her she's a great nurse.
Too bad they don't teach accounting in nursing school.
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