The meeting began with a quick race for Council President, Mr. Price nominated Pat McLaughlin and Mrs. Benedetti nominated John Gonder. Mr. Gonder won 5-4 with Benedetti, Messer, Zurschmeide, Coffey, and himself voting for him. Mr. McLaughlin got the silver medal as VP.
After the committee members were appointed and/or voted in, the next order of business were the public communications. The parking permits were the main topic tonight. Jameson Bledsoe, Randy Bulleitt, and Vickie Nugent, all Uptown Neighborhood residents spoke in favor. They all discussed their own parking problems and said they would pay to have a designated spot in front of their homes. Randy Smith said he lives on the narrow part of Elm St. He questioned the the idea of having 20' per space considering some lots are only 35' wide. The council voted and decided to sent this Ordinance to committee.
There were a few issues discussed during the city official communications. Mr. Gahan said that A 09-21 (the $400,000 for the flood victims) would be back on the agenda for a 3rd reading at the next meeting.
Mr. Malysz, speaking for the Mayor, urged that A 09-22 also be added to the next agenda (this was the $2,000,000 from EDIT for the fire and police).
said this will be reviewed by the Rules Committee and the Mrs. Benedetti asked for a prompt decision on hiring a new attorney for the council. Mr. Gonderrecommendations will be considered by the council. Mr. Coffey stressed that a Floyd Co. resident will be preferable.
There was also much discussion on Resolution 10-01 concerning the Coyle property. The city has already spent approx. $50,000 for appraisals and an enviromental study and enlarging the TIF area will help to recoup these funds. This also has been sent to committee.
This is a very short summary but the meeting ended by 9:00 with no fireworks. But the year is still very young. Stay tuned.
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Thank you, Shirley. Nice minutes.
It was a noteworthy meeting because Steve Price openly supported increased fees in the form of the parking permit.
Nice precedent to begin the year, but just imagine how much more money we'd raise by registering and regulated rental properties.
Nice report, Shirley.
I was glad to see John Gonder follow the law in making appointments. It was a refreshing change from the usual actions of the previous president.
It is a mistake to extend the TIF area.
Why?
Because all of the TIF monies are in Redevelopment's hands and do not go into the General Fund. That's why. Our General Fund is hurting...
A valid point, but wouldn't redeveloping the Coyle site arguably improve our general fund in the long run?
Just a thought. What if we expanded the TIF area and let the Coyle family sell the property to a developer. Then the property value would increase and so would our tax base.
Just because money doesn't go into TIF, it doesn't mean it goes into our general fund. TIF's are the only way we have to ensure that the money stays local.
I know of developers who are salivating to refurbish the historic building. It is a fine building. Not a bad idea. But eventually we will need a new city county building and pretty much already do need one so we would need to find another building or location.
People in Louisville drool over buildings like that so close to both downtowns. Some developer would want it for sure. It is actually kind of exciting to think about for New Albany.
Of it's such a GOOD deal why hasn't other developers bought it? Like they say: a sucker is borned everyday.
3:28 and look at the mess Louisville is in too.
3:28 and look at the mess Louisville is in too.
I don't know where to being with the differences, biases, and contradictions I have read between NAC and Shirley's blog.
First a correction.
Shirley, I do not want a residential parking place in front of my house. The only things that I said was, I supported Randy's efforts, that I thought it would be good for the street department, and asked the council to consider it. I know that it is hard to hear sometimes in the room so no problem with the mistake.
Contradictions
Randy Smith said he had a problem with the idea of residential parking permits because parking on his section of Elm Street made it difficult for the two-way traffic but Randy will be one of the first people to say two-way traffic with curb parking, mediums, and bike lanes are great for Spring St.
You can’t have it both ways Randy Smith, your comments last night are complete contradictions to your arguments for two-way traffic on Spring St.
Roger, Jeff, Mark, and Randy all ridicule the council for being slow to make decisions but when someone else has an idea and the council vote positively and quickly they are the first to condemn the idea. This is just another contradiction in a long list of contradiction found on the bias NAC. Instead of supporting a new idea you condemn it before you know anything about it and then pretend to justify your actions by assuming what the ordinance would be.
Here is a suggestion that would serve you all well, try and ask questions first then form an opinion about it. This would prevent you from being incorrect.
There are many more contradictions to make but I will move on to biasness of NAC coverage of the council meeting. Let me remind you first that the Progressive group no longer has the ability to provide readers with half-truths. Other people like me are beginning to go regularly to the meetings.
You would serve your readers better if you would just state the facts about the Coyle property. Mr. Coffey from the beginning has always said he did not support the purchase when he found out that it could not be paid for with TIF money and that both he and Kevin quit going to the committee meetings after the first one. Which Kevin acknowledged. Who set up the committee is irrelevant to the discussion and Carl needs to quit saying that he is only acting on the councils request when clearly the council is against it. He needs to be truthful and say the Mayor’s administration wants it. The Tribune needs to call out the contradiction in his statement by asking why then has the council voted down the expansion of the TIF district.
Thank you!
Excuse me Bluegill, but do you know HOW MANY TIF AREAS New Albany already has that are depleting the General Fund?
How much money did the TIF on the Parking Garage pay to the General Fund? Monies which should have been paid back to the General Fund. I forgot, you are the one who got technical with the wording in the document saying Redevelopment didn't HAVE to pay the monies back to the General Fund, sorry I forgot.
I certainly am glad others are starting to attend Council meetings and can attest to the hypocrisy on NAC. Whew, I can breathe better.
Thanks, Shirley.
I find it odd that when I made the suggestion to use the 1 million dollars of EDIT, that the police where requesting, to purchase problem houses Randy commented on NAC that I’m being naïve. Jeff didn’t make a comment to disagree with Randy so I assume he agreed with it but recently Jeff and Randy have both talked about how great the 6.7 million is going to be for SEJ and Jeff goes as far and says look what we could do if we used EDIT money along with the 6.7. If we had done it the Progressives’ way we would have spent all the EDIT money on paving and two-way traffic at the beginning of last year. There would be no EDIT money left.
Mark, Roger and others talk about how the council made appointments last council election and then applaud President Gonder’s way; he did practically the same as Coffey. He removed Kevin form the Redevelop Commission and replaced him with someone hardly any of the councilman/woman knew. How legal was this Mark? Where is the condemnation? I see this as another contradiction with the Progressives. I know Matt, he seems to be a good person but I told Gonder I didn’t think that appointing Matt was the best for New Albany citizens and I will be publicly stating that at the next council meeting.
Get it right Roger, the council voted down the expansion of the TIF because they don’t want to buy the Coyle Property the only reason it was on the agenda is because the Mayor’s administration spent 45,000 dollars on appraisals and environmental test and they want to use TIF to pay for it and continue the process to buy the property over council approval.
The residential parking permits are only voluntarily acquired it is very different then rental property registration which would be mandatory. Even though rental property registration is a good thing it is completely different. Comparing them is a disserves to readers and the only reason I see the use of the comparison is jealousy that someone else’s idea is seen in favor over your own. When the exploratory committee determines what the ordinance with comprise of then you all should make your comments.
How I understand what Mr. Bulleit’s proposal was what Jeff uses and each request would be a case by case bases. The Street Department could deny the request if they determined that there is no need for a permit. I would only be issued if there was a need like what Mr. Bulleit has and I think that the council sees that such a ordinance would be good for their district because 7 of them voted strongly for it and the other 2 said they liked the idea but wanted more information which is the same mistake Randy Smith made.
Market forces has nothing to do with the parking permits but it could make New Albany more marketable when someone comes into the city to buy a house and they can clearly see that parking may be an issue. They now have the option to buy a single space in front of their home if the Street Department agrees to do it.
Steve Price did not vote new arbitrary fees the permit is a voluntary only program. I understand how someone reading the Evil Socrates NAC blog would think that.
Remember how in middle school you always thought it was about you and that everyone was talking about you and in reaction to you? It really isn't that way.
TIF Areas.
All new taxes collected in a TIF Area
go into a TIF FUND POT that Redevelopment can play with. Those tax collections do NOT go in the General Fund to help run the city or to help keep our taxes down.
YES 8:36, I agree with you on TIFS,
Did anyone ever try to explain to the Council Members that the Mayor and Malysz control the Redevelopment Commissionm?
See Indiana Code Chapter 37, I think.
Redevelopment is a 5 member voting Board.
The Mayor appoints 3 m embers.
City Council appoints 2 m embers.
Do your math.
3 out of 5 m embers can control
Redevelopment Commission.
So-- the Mayor controls.
so if i "buy" a space in front of my home, the city puts in a big sign in front saying "Reserved Parking."
then when i don't renew next year, the sign sits around because no one cares. free space for me year and year. all i got to pay is $100.
how much does the sign cost the city?
say i'm looking to buy a house.
i drive down the street and all i see are "do not park" and "Reserved parking" signs.
doesn't sound very inviting to me. doesn't sound like the neighbors are very neighborly.
seems like it would property values.
seems like it would lower property values if anything.
seems like it would lower property values if anything.
Jameson is a poor spokesperson for any new ordinance since he has a history of thinking the law does not apply to him.
RemChar,
For what its worth, heres my take on the parking permits:
1. Those with the $$$ to cough up $100 per car for "private" parking can purchase exclusive rights to PUBLIC property. In any other situation this would be considered immoral if not legalized bribery.
2. House #1 has very little frontage on an urban street, while house #2 is on a corner and has front and side street parking.
House #1 has 2 cars, no alley parking as it is almost everywhere, no driveway or garage, as it is for many inner city houses, each of house #1 neighbors buys up spaces, yet #1 cant afford it, so their car ends up down the block or on a cross street close to their home. It wont be long before some else where their second car is parked to get pissed and vandalize it. (that all ready happens here with out buying a parking place from the city.
3. House #1 purchases a parking space, house number 2's guest constantly park in it. A dispute ensues, police are dispacthed, (generally 2 officers for a disturbance) in the time it takes for the police to straighten out the issue, the $100 "profit" is chewed up in man hours for the 2 officers, the dispatcher who runs the warrant checks for the involved parties, then we move on to the gas in the patrol cars, etc... Pretty soon that $15k potential profit starts getting whittled away, of course that is before taking into conideration signs, sign posts, paint, man hours to install those items, design, printing and dispersment of permit stickers, not to mention paying someone to process the applications.
We should concentrate on more important issues.
i love the permit idea!
i have a driveway and a garage but i'm going to get as many permits as possible just to keep the guy next door from parking in front of my house.
i want to watch the old fart walk and extra block every time he gets back from the store!
Oh Sage Erik
Please tell me where I can find the pre-B&B fire post about frozen fire hydrants in New Albany?
When I search FOS all I find are incriminatory statements about firefighters who don't do anything.
Nuttin' sez neighborhood spirit like towing your neighbor's car on Christmas Eve!
the only parking problem on my street is that people keep parking in the yellow fire lane. in five years i've never once seen someone ticketed or towed for it.
Latest FOS pile of poop:
Are you going to be the Mayor's next Puppet?
Freedom Of Speech Staff
This chick really is f*cking nuts. Why does she keep signing "Staff"?
Must be lonely.
if baylor's philosophy is "new urbanism," what's bledsoe's? "new suburbanism"? bringing everything that people don't like about suburbs to the city?
Chris, I understand your points.
In Jeff those who cannot afford to purchase a permit can still request one and the Street Department will issue one if they determine that one is necessary. Even if someone has the funds and applies the Street Department still has the final say.
Your analogy about the two houses, again, if you can’t afford one, under Jeff’s rules, one could still be issued and only one permit per house hold, so a house could not buy more than one.
My support of Mr. Bulliet’s ordinance was given with the understanding that the New Albany Ordinance would be like Jeff’s. This ordinance will go to committee where they will come up with one that is tailored for New Albany. If it changes to an ordinance that is contrary to Jeff’s, and I thought it would be a bad idea, I would withdraw my support.
The concern with tying up the police department is a legitimate concern. Mr. Bulleit presented the council with communications from Jeff’s police chief endorsing the idea and stating that he thinks it would work well for New Albany. Jeff has had no problems with their ordinance and I believe if home owners who do have a problem could possibly resolve it through Mr. Bulleit’s ordinance. It could possibly free up the police from disputes. One of the council members gave an example of his neighbors having this very problem on his street and that the ordinance might have prevented the problem.
This was not my idea and at first I was reluctant to consider it but I could see that Mr. Bulleit had a legitimate concern and if he had one I felt that other citizen might have the same problem. Mr. Price talked about his elderly mother who my benefit from such an ordinance.
I find it amusing that some who ask for more governance now opposes such ideas. If this ordinance becomes a problem with the police department then it can be easily overturned.
Are there more important issues? Yes. Is this something that prevents attention from those important issues? No. The Mayor repeatedly has said that the Street department needs money to take care of signs and street painting. This could be an idea that gives the Street Department a little more money to do just that.
This is a voluntary option not a tax or mandatory fee. We have handicap parking spaces this would be similar but not the same. If the council accepts Mr. Bulleit’s idea I don’t think the city would stop.
If the city buys the Coyle property the city would not gain but lose tax revenue from the purchase because city property is not taxable. The only positive is that the city would have a unique old city/county building.
The TIF only matters if a private party invests into the property and the city needs the State Street TIF to increase in value.
Congratulations Prof. Erik for being Steve Price's puppet.
Time for you to get out of Steve Price's *ss.
Does Stevie give you a good deal on a slum rental, Erik, or do you just have a crush on him?
The street dept can't get their current workload done. Now they have to hang signs and paint spaces.
I'm sure there will be tons of money left over after buying sign, paint, labor for installation. Shouldn't that windfall go to police for their time to enforce.
What about street cleaning? In my neighborhood every body moves to one side of street. So two days a week it may get tricky (April-oct)
Coyle Dodge building?
What the hell ever happened to the Tabernacle? Is the city ever going to do anything with that?
Is the city turning into a real estate company?
City: Let's buy this old building.
Common Sense: What are you we going to do with the building?
City: Who cares? I'm not paying for it. We can just sit on it until the slow wheels of politics finally crushes any good ideas of using the building by ordinary developers and citizens. Maybe we can even play the good Kopp bad Lopp gag? It will be fun.
Common Sense:
Common Sense:
Common Sense:
*Common Sense has left because there is no place for it in New Albany, Indiana.
Common sense tell me that you don't know much about urban planning of municipal finance.
neither lopp nor kopp have any role in coyle so bring up their names just points to your ignorance.
Jameson,
You do make good points in your presentation, and I understand it is not your idea originally.
Personally, I still remember dozens of dispatches on "reserved parking" issues, specifically handicapped reserved spaces on the street.
However, I respectfully suggest that we agree to disagree and leave it at that.
I mean look how much time has passed since a sidewalk in town had been "fixed" and the bitterness and accussations are still flying at every opportunity.
This can only serve to further divide the community between those who feel the "haves" are further raping the "have nots"
Mr. Bledsoe,
As for as the appointment/election "affair", at least there was a public vote and the opportunity for a majority of the council to deny or confirm according to the law. That's a big difference from past years.
If, when you were writing about the parking permits, you were referring to Pat's discussion of parking disputes in his district, Pat is afraid that this might stir it up again--not solve it. So much for accurate reporting, I guess.
I don't have sidewalks in my neighborhood. Can I get some for $100? Wait, I knew that there were not sidewalks when I bought my house--it's called personal responsibility and that's something that I would think that we would agree on.
Two houses, all else being equal, one has a driveway for off street parking and the other doesn't. Which one is worth more? How much more? I would think much more than $100/year.
Did you hear all the questions about the ordinance Monday night? The councilperson introducing it didn't even know who would enforce it. Was surprised to learn that the police would still have to be called. It was far, far from a finely tuned ordinance and only AFTER all the questions was it determined that it needed to go to committee. That's the way it should work and did work.
As you also failed to report, Randy Smith said that perhaps an ordinance could be presented that would address his concerns. I feel the same way. I'm not going to a blow a gasket over this ordinance, no matter which way the final vote goes.
I'm not going to a blow a gasket over this ordinance, no matter which way the final vote goes.
Same here.
There would seem to be a useful precedent for having reserved handicapped spots. Seems to me there might be a plausible way to extend a program to include seniors and certain other classes of need. I see no reason why that should be extended to the able bodied, especially on a street that all of us own as taxpaying residents.
And: I'm genuinely happy that Jameson is getting the NAC phobia off his chest, as himself. It bodes well for the dialogue.
I think businesses should have to purchase permits not citizens. That's part of the problem with New Albany. They put businesses first and the hell with us citizens. Who pays and businesses reap the rewards.
You all know there is a big lawsuit pending over a sidewalk injury. Maybe if certain people did not receive special treatments for patio's and sidewalks her injuries might not have happen.
On another note, please don't turn Gonder into a saint after just one meeting.
Wait until he doesn't do what the progressives and the mayor wants, then we will see real fireworks.
Bledsoe,
I totally support what you are saying about the Tribune. They basically don't print the facts, just what comes out of England's mouth and as we all kniw mist of his words are nothing but lies.
The Tribune should print retractions on several issues.
Like: ooops we found out the Mayor was spinning and what he stated was very misleading.
When is the Tribune going to print the WHOLE story about how TIFs are funded? Like who really suffers from having TIFs? How many TIFs are in New Albany and the county? Why can't they do some in depth reporting? Is it because they don't know how or because someone won't let them? Shirley, can you answer those questions?
Southern Indiana has more whiners than anywhere in the world...
"You all know there is a big lawsuit pending over a sidewalk injury. Maybe if certain people did not receive special treatments for patio's and sidewalks her injuries might not have happen."
I wonder if the "big lawsuit" is the lady who tripped on her way to harvet homecoming on mainstreet? (friend of mine), If so, keep in mind it was at a transition from conrete to brick, where there was an Indiana-American water meter that had "raised up" as compared to the rest of the area, while walking in the evening and it was getting dark.
If it is the same "big lawsuit" the only reason the lady is suing at all is because she has no health insurance, and severely damaged her shoulder.
Where this ties into the continued bitterness to a 20 foot stretch of on bank street is beyond my grasp. (and its not like your target is the only owner of the business, let alone the owner of the building, correct?)
"The Tribune should print retractions on several issues."
What, more or less exactly?
RE: TIF's
I will do some research and try to find out more about TIF's before I answer.
I have never read anything that Tribune reporters have ever printed that wasn't true. I only question the inconsistencies that I read from what I know, first hand. Most of the questions and inconsistencies that I have are between what the council says and what the administration says.
I would like to see the Tribune run a story educating New Albany citizens about TIFs. I have been given two explanations, both from reliable sources. The two explanations given are very different reasons why we need TIFs. I have to call the LDGF and find out which is accurate.
Mark, Yes, Pat did say that the permit could cause his issue to flame up again after he said it could have prevented the problem. I think he was looking at both sides of the equation, which is a good thing for a councilperson to do. He must have thought it was worth voting for.
The process of the ordinance was Mr. Bulleit’s responsibility, it was his doing. I told him it would receive either a first reading or a first and second and after that he should expect more criticism, which happened. I assumed that more discussion would be needed.
I know Mr. Bulleit said one reason to support the residential parking permits would make a house more valuable but I disagree and only think it could help with marketing a house.
Mark, we can agree that we would like to see more transparency with appointments and all matters in general.
Shirley the greater question is why do we need TIF that is were the inconsistencies lie.
"Mark, we can agree that we would like to see more transparency with appointments and all matters in general."
I think that we could agree on more than just that. I agree that looking at both(all)sides of issue is a very good thing. Some of my friends call me "on the other hand".
Perhaps some of us should sit down and talk, face to face, sometime. You can always email me, if you ever wish a little more privacy. Address is in my profile.
Thanks,
Mark
You guys are thinking small on Coyle. City buys, helps with cleanup, sells it at low cost or at coast to a developer with an approved plan that will improve the neighborhood, money back into TIFF. Win win win.
Or - City/county improves the property with a government complex, retains the historic building, etc., which improves the neighborhood and spurs more improvements around the area. Win Win win and tax base still increases.
We think so small here - use some imagination.
We think so small here - use some imagination.
Umm, they're "little people," remember?
Not my words -- theirs, LOL.
J why do you post under multiple names? Everyone knows you as RemCha. If you plan to run for office again who cares - I am sure you would stand behind your posts. Step into the light, brotha, and be a source of positive change. Don't blow your ideas and reputation just because you are pissed at a few people.
I post under a RemChar because I like it and I like to focus on what is being said not who is saying it.
The reason I posted my name recently is because the subject was a little about me.
Right now I think the city needs more supportive bodies to help the process. I'm not pissed at anyone most people here care about their city you can't get upset at that. Some of us just go about it differently.
Mark appreciate the invite, anytime.
Why should the city buy and fix the Colye property up if a private individual may do the same thing without city involvement.
What cracks me up, people here think they can read a few pages and understand TIF's or Sewer issues.
Us "little people" seem to be the only ones who are looking at the big picture here.
Why should the council and mayor or redevelopment care?
Answer: It's not their money and it doesn't affect them, accept what's in it for them.
I bet if the truth be known, they couldn't answer the hard questions.
Tax abatements and TIF's are killing our city.
Would someone explain to me why the county has only given 1 tax abatement and the city gave 32 million worth last year, but the county has money and the city does not.
btw, how many TIF areas does New Albany have? What is their function.
So only the little people are capable of understanding such things?Golly gee wilikers wally, nothing insulting about that.glad you guys speak for all of the people in the city that way no one else has to be stupid you guys have that covered all to well
Why city buy and fix? Because the city can put conditions on the sale and approve the project to make sure it benefits the city. Happens all of the time. Cities buy a building, put just enough work to make it marketable, sell it for dirt cheap to entice someone with a good plan.
Coyle has never been on the open market, so nothing stopping private development if it goes on it. Just hate to see building dozed and some sh*t go up.
So RE the Tribune, everyone's mad that the Tribune doesn't take his side only?
Coyle would make a good site for a mobile home park. Or maybe a go-cart track? Little people hate government regulation so I presume whoever wants to buy it and put a tire shreding facility there is A-OKAY with the wee little ones. Health regs against tire shreading downtown? Who follows ordinances?
Latest FOS poop:
You cannot lower the cost of healthcare without short-changing someone or something.
I'm all for short changing the HMOs and insurance agencies.
C'mon "Professor," surely even you understand that right now doctors have incentives to overbill and to provide unnecessary treatments. Your opening statement is FALSE.
Anon 1:06 and 1:19
The statement went way over your head, and it would be a waste of time to try and describe to you what I was trying to say. Try reading what I wrote in a different way.
Can someone tell me how a commity in New Albany can spend $45,000 on a prospective purchase of a building for the city, and then come before the council to ask if they can further investigate purchasing the building?
Shouldn't asking the council to possibly buy a building be prior to spending $45,000 on a building that the city might buy.
Roger,
Are you going for the ancient Belgian monk look with your new hair cut to fortify, and substantiate your brewing skills?
Because we all know Monks made beer a long time ago, and wore there hair in a particular way.
Kind of like this
http://www.monkbrewery.us/images/final_logo_web.png
Not intentionally, but I'm a big fan of Belgian Trappist brewing even it I differ with their dogma.
I'm not willing to go for a tonsure, though.
any new news about the grocery coop
6:46 Thank you for your update on Freedom Of Speech. I guess if Erik wrote the earth was round, you would still have something attackful to say.
I bet Erik and staff continues to appreciate you reading their post but hey, you can't please everyone.
You think?
Personally I think we need another Porn shop placed right there in the center on Spring Street. Than Gibson can make some more money he doesn't deserve.
Porn Shop? Get the with 21st century man! Nalbany's got an asian spa in downtown!
And unlike most situations and dealings with goverment this building has happy endings!
You can blow your own roof off with no insurance required.
Roger, just wait a few more years and you won't have any free choice of the will concerning the tonsure since nature will take it's course.
It's not that difficult to deduce you like everything Belgian. A better statement would be to tell us something you don't like about Belgium.
Coyle would be a good sight for our junkyard already located on a main thorough fare in NA. They can move over there and set up shop.
Where are the salt trucks? Don't New Albany have the money for salt like last year?
Hey England, get off your ass and get these streets cleared.
Erik and his staff? there is some poor old lady with multiple personalities, eh? Salt trucks? get off your but and learn how to drive in 1/4" of loose, dry snow
cry, slobber and moan.
By J's request, things I don't like about Belgium:
1) Really bad colonial legacy in the Congo
2) Antipathy between Flemish-speakers and French-speakers
3) In a country with some of the finest artisanal ales in the world, 70% of the beer sales remain tasteless golden lager
4) Jean Claude van Damme
5) Surprisingly, Brussels is not a very bike-friendly place
Roger,
How could you NOT be enthralled by such a world class thesbian god we have in Jean Claude van Damme?!!
Now I will have to reconsider my patronage of the pizzaria! I will be forced to eat pizza hut calzones while drinking PBR!
LOL
Go play with your snake, Chris.
I'm still laughing at that one.
Watch yourself Mark! Since they took my Puff Adder, I have now stocked up on copperheads!
Leopold's Ghost is ghastly but a good read.
Would you say most of Europe is bike friendly?
I heard and read were two Parisian Mayors changed two-way streets in their district to one-way but on the same street and in opposite directions. I guess the French don't oppose some one-way traffic.
Harrison County got the riverboat and we got what all the anti-boat people said we would get if we had the boat. Porn Store, Strip Club, Asian Spa (or whore house), thriving pawn shops, and liquor stores. Oh yes, we got the Y but Jeff has one and they were not bought off.
Now Kentucky assemblymen are forcing slots through its assembly because of Indiana. Indiana gets riverboats and Kentucky possibly loses Horse Racing.
I would submit that we got the porn shops, asian spas, and strip clubs because our city officials were kept chasing their tails over mundane, petty issues by extremely over zealious groups with narrow minded agendas.
We didnt get a boat in floyd because of theocratic lemming-ism, mass bombardment of disinformation, and chicken little the sky is falling doomsday prophecies of the biblical plagues that would befall our town if we let the floating den of satan into our pristine and hallowed waters.
(interestingly enough many of those groups now apply for the grants given out from horse shoe)
We thank you again for providing this service.
We find it interesting to note how the pseudo council members Roger Baylor, Jeff Gillenwater, Randy Smith and Mark Cassiday are against everything that doesn't benefit them personally. They stand flat footed, open palmed with mouth agape, smooshing the executive for favor. They dislike the elected council because they stand between them and the public coffers.
I would like to direct this comment to 8:21. Wow do you really get it? Tax dollars + snow = clean our streets.People like you need to get off their computer and shut the hell up!
Christopher D. are you on your lunch break? I didn't think so. Must be nice to have a cushy job like yours.
Uh, would you care to explain how I am benefiting from the public coffers? Inquiring minds want to know.
Yeah right, I've never criticized the administration. How funny. And how wrong.
I'm far from perfect. There are many things to criticize me on, so why make up such ridiculous accusations?
I'm still laughing. However it is sad, that even under the veil of anonymity, you can't admit a mistake.
Above the law? Hardly. You don't see us HIDING, do you?
Here's some hypocrisy filled slop from FOS:
Our sources in Washington tell us, there are plans for a Clinton visit to London, England the end of January.
Boy do we all love London, England!
All the historic buildings, riding the Eye, visiting Sherlock Holmes Pub, 10 Downing Street and our favorite place to shop in the entire world, none other than Harrods of London!
Nothing like getting a big jump on Christmas 2010, touring 10 Downing Street and most of all having tea with Prime Minister Brown, again.
Is there another London, England trip in our crystal ball for 2010?
Your "sources"? HAHAHA. Why blog did you get that from, Professor?
It seems the Professor loved Italy and England yet fights every policy here to keep New Albany from having policies anything like they have there.
Boy do we all love London, England!
All the historic buildings, riding the Eye, visiting Sherlock Holmes Pub
Boy that sidewalk in front of the Sherlock Holms Pub looks awfully smooth. It should be a shame for pub patrons to trip on an uneven sidewalk.
Love historic buildings? The London historic preservation guidelines are FAR, FAR, FAR more restrictive than here in New Albany. That city doesn't look great by chance. It takes GOVERNMENT SUPPORT of preservation to maintain a beautiful city.
Hypocracy from The Professor.
"Christopher D. are you on your lunch break? I didn't think so. Must be nice to have a cushy job like yours."
Oh you have no idea! Queen sized bed, HDTV, ultra high speed internet, sony surround sound home theater system, and a catalog of great movies, not to mention a regular supply of cyclobenzaprine...
Oh, wait, I confused my bedroom with my office for a second there. I forgot I was at home with a muscle pulled out of whack in my lower back from how "cushy" my job is.
(then again, I guess I may be in prison for pimp slappin my girlfriend)
as opposed to fake abusing your imaginary self
In response to 2:21, looks like Freedom Of Speech seems to be keeping you pretty busy today.
Too funny.
They stand flat footed, open palmed with mouth agape, smooshing the executive for favor.
Yawn.
In response to 2:21, looks like Freedom Of Speech seems to be keeping you pretty busy today.
Too funny.
Yes, FOS ALWAYS makes me laugh!
Thanks Roger, how's does your wife like her new job at Jewish? Good to hear someone in your family works.
Good to hear someone in your family works.
She likes it.
And you're a coward.
But hey - we already knew that, didn't we?
"Thanks Roger, how's does your wife like her new job at Jewish? Good to hear someone in your family works."
What in the blue balzes is your obsession with whose working where and when?
Wouldnt that fall under the file of none of your damn business?
Okay, anyways back to bicycling and Europe.
RememberCharles
I would say Europe is more bike friendly when you compare it to North America, but each individual city in western Europe has diffirent degrees of friendliness toward bicycles.
As far as the 70% of sells the Belgiums have. I personally prefer Miller to Bud, pilsner to lager, but I drink craft beers too. Everytime I set down to drink a beer it doesn't always have to be craft. Absolutes are dangerous.
Pilsner is a type of lager, not different from. Just for educational purposes.
Chris you said,
"I would submit that we got the porn shops, asian spas, and strip clubs because our city officials were kept chasing their tails over mundane, petty issues by extremely over zealious groups with narrow minded agendas."
"interestingly enough many of those groups now apply for the grants given out from horse shoe"
What are some examples?
Local churches that members of which spearheaded the campaign against the ordinance that would have allowed the boat locate here.
(no I am not saying all churches, or all church members did this, but there were high profile local churches that did this, and I (the clinic in floyd and harrison)have to compete with them for the grants.
The clumsy socratic method is getting tiresome.
What chruches are you refering to?
I know the Providence Center on Charlestown Rd received a grant but they are not a chruch and were not around when the ballot was being voted on.
If I recall correctly the second initiative almost passed, maybe the people applying for the grants are the ones who voted for it.
Like you I sometimes feel that people who voted against the boat do apply for grants but I can't say that with any proof.
A lot of votes against the boat happened because there existed a lack of trust in the administration. Who was buying the properties up in anticipation (administration employees), etc.
This was simply our opinion.
"our opinion"
'our' is the possesive form of 'we' which is a plural pronoun.
When two or more are giving giving your opinion does each of you type every other letter.
Or is it you and your "staff"
Don't look now Dick Cheney has just joined the FOS staff.
More Racism, and theocratic discrimination being vomitted from FOS. I guess FOS thinks all muslims are monsters not as good as christians and our duly elected president has muslim heritage so he is nothing more than a puppet to the extremists FOS is helmed by a racist uneducated ignorant intolerant disrespectful fear monger
Didn't Obama call the crouch bomber an extremists? I believe Erik and staff are far from being extremists.
I do see them trying to blow up a plane with over 300 people on it.
Just admit you don't like the truth FOS writes.
ooops a typo: I DON'T see Erik trying to blow up a plane with over 300 passengers like the "crouch bomber" tried.
And if anyone is an extremists in New Albany, it's Baylor not Erik.
Like FOS says; "hows that hope and change working for you?"
I lost my job after 25 years, so yes, Obama is worthless.
Yes, we each write a letter. Someone might read it with two copies, LOL.
Go Obama.
Why are people debating how people voted on the boat?
Why blame it on churches?
Who cares?
The Boat IS NOT here in NA and if Churchill gets slots, there may not be one down the road and ?
Easy come, easy go.
No TIF info yet. Find out how many we have and draw circles the size of quarters around each area. You may find why we need tax revenue for our General Fund and not the Deputy Mayor.
Next?
P.S. WE do appreciate you correcting our English, though, LOL.
...she said through a cloud of smoke.
...she said through a cloud of smoke.
Latest racist poop from FOS:
Obama is not just incompetent, he is an empathizer of Jihadists...
Obama's First year:
-Zero successful terrorist attacks on US soil
-Zero Americans killed by terrorists on US soil.
Bush's First year:
-One successful terrorist attack on US soil
-3,000 Americans killed on US soil.
Don't forget, the President's own intelligence briefing days before 9/11 said Bin Laden was going to HiJack US airplanes. And what did the Bush administration do? NOTHING!
What was the result of Bush's intentional inaction?
The military contractors who were among Bush's largest campaign contributors saw their profits rise several fold.
FOS makes no point when saying Nigeria has scanners.
The Christmas would-be bomber did not fly here from Nigeria. He flew here from Europe.
(Does the professor need a Geography lesson?)
HEY PROFESSOR.....
TELL ME ONE SECURITY POLICY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HILARY CLINTON.
I guess they're both Jihadists, huh Professor?
professor erik has declared jihad against facts and reason.
must suck to be a bitter old imaginary wannabe. must suck more be to bitter old ignorant person who invents a fake professor to spread lies about people. i pity the poor soul who feels like he or she has to lie about who he or she is to feel important.
FOS's staff must really be stupid if it takes 30 people to write that SLOP. does each person come up with two words a day? must be the best the idiot staff can do.
i've seen third graders write with better spelling and syntax.
FOS doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're" but somehow manages to be an expert on both indiana state finance and international relations.
How did the bomber get from Nigeria, (you smart ass.) Did he canoe to Europe or walk? That's how damn stupid you morons are.
They ought to waterboard the SOB, or make him drink brewhouse beer.
They ought to waterboard the SOB, or make him drink brewhouse beer.
That's a good one anonymous.
Good Lord, take an international terrorist, and twist it into an insult against Baylor (not to mention the men and women who work at NABC)
Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a radical Muslin who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia. He met Obama's mother, Ann Durham, a white athesist from Wichita Kansas at the University of Hawaii at Manoa.
In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya immediately following the divorce.
Obama's mother married another Muslin, Lolo Soetoro who educated his stepson as a Muslin by enrolling him in one of Jakarta's Wahabbi schoold.
Wahabbism is the radical teaching that created the Muslin terrorists who are now waging Jihad on the United States.
Once a Muslim, always a Muslim.
BAYLOR IS AN ATHEIST, COMMUNIST. HE SHOULD GO BACK TO HIS KIND AND LEAVE US CHRISTIANS ALONE.
How did the bomber get from Nigeria, (you smart ass.) Did he canoe to Europe or walk? That's how damn stupid you morons are.
Listen stupid moron, scanning would not have mattered in Nigeria since he didn't picked up his bomb until he was in Europe.
Idiot.
Idiot.
Idiot.
more facts being made up by FOS
apparently FOS doesn't agree with the US constitution which says can't discriminate against people based on their religious beliefs.
why do you disagree with the constitution, Erika?
Where is Obama's birth certificate? Why has he spent over $1,000,000 to keep from producing his birth certificate. Where is his college records and papers? Don't tell me that SOB doesn't have nothing to hide. Who can afford to waste well over a million dollars if he had nothing to hide.
I'll drink to that one. Good point anonymous.
BAYLOR IS AN ATHEIST, COMMUNIST. HE SHOULD GO BACK TO HIS KIND AND LEAVE US CHRISTIANS ALONE.
What the f*ck does that mean?
Go back to his kind? Huh?
Did you mean Atheististan?
Need another Geography lesson, Anonymous?
Need a Geography lesson! Ha!
Good point Anonymous. I'll drink to that!
When you have a dual personaility, it's (usually) easy to agree with yourself, isn't it?
Keep talking about birth certificates, Anonymous.
Please, talk talk talk talk.
The more you talk, the more the world will know what a freaking IDIOT you are.
Keep it coming. Through in a few Baylors and Enlgands while you're add it. Let the world see stupidity first hand.
Keep it coming.
I went to a Catholic elementary school. Does that make me Catholic?
My parents would be surprised to learn I'm not Methodist.
I think everyone has gone way off track with this thread.
I don't know what President Obama's family history and Roger Baylor's religious beliefs (or lack of) have to do with the council meeting last Monday.
There is a new posting about TIF's. After some research I think I understand how they work now. It is really quite interesting. I want to thank whomever suggested that I look up that info.
Shirley
FOS vomits ignorant, stupid, factually incorrect, misspelled, misleading, bigoted and racist posts every week. Broad minded liberals like Hillary Clinton would be absolutely ASHAMED to be associated with such venom. FOS is dirt. No wonder the author is ASHAMED to come forward.
Anon 5:31
It's obvious you don't like FOS and it's also obvious that you read it frequently.
I'm sure they are happy to get all of this publicity good or bad, it makes people want to check out the blog.
In regards to all the anti muslim postings on here.
You truly are showing your "christian" ignorance.
In the muslim religion, do you know exactly whom the one of the most cited and respected profit of God is?
Do you know which profit is referenced in the koran even more than Muhammad?
Do you know which faith has guarded and maintained the Tomb of Mary, the mother of Jesus for nearly 2,000 years, and treats that tomb as a holy place?
Do you know who Yuz Asaf as written in ancient muslim texts by some of the most revered authors of the koran is?
If you guessed Jesus Christ, then ding ding ding, you are a winner!
If you guessed that muslims consider the tomb of the Virgin Mary as a holy cite and has protected it for over 2,000 years, you are correct!
Bastardization by a few thousand insane extremists of a very noble and peaceful religion is nearly as bad as the gross ignorance displayed by westerners who blindly follow ultra right wing fundamentalist who soil the teachings of Jesus by preaching intolerance, hatred and ignorance
Anon 5:21 makes some very good points, they all are false buy interesting none the less.
I think the sentence with the triple negative is my favorite. Then they get an immediate "high five" that was posted within one minute. It took me several minutes to decode.
Nice try
instead of making up stuff, tell us which points you claim are false.
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