There was a discussion started on the last posting about the Tribune article concerning Indiana State Troopers patrolling downtown New Albany.
For the record I believe that anyone who drinks or uses any drug that hinders their ability and drives deserves to be pulled over and dealt with according to the law. And I do not believe anyone is above the law.
I can't help but wonder why the State Troopers find it necessary to patrol the streets downtown. In my opinion it makes it appear that our City Police are not doing their job. That bothers me a lot. I know our local police are patrolling all areas of New Albany, I see them all of the time. I know the Chief said he appreciated their help but frankly I think the State Police are better utilized patrolling the expressways and areas outside of the city.
And I feel that patrons of Studios and other downtown establishments may feel that they are being targeted. Even if a person has not been drinking the sight of a police car following them makes them feel very uneasy. I'm sure we all have had this feeling.
We are trying to build our downtown and we need patrons of our establishments. I wish the State Troopers would patrol the areas outside of the city and let our local police do their job.
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Yes, I know this is not a popular stand so let the arguments begin.
Free police protecting for our city and you tell the ISP to move on? Come on Shirley, they want $1.8million to add police.
This is over Diane but Doug can't protect all his cut a deal councilmembers.
Put me on the jury!
It's no big secret that I am a strong support of the police. I have family and friends on many of the local departments.
ISP is a fine law enforcement organization, made up of many brave and wonderful men and women.
BUT
There are so many rural areas in this ISP district that need patrols, staying in a city that have coverage by the local police, in my humble opinion, is not avery good plan.
Of course they have the authority to patrol anywhere in the district that they choose, and I feel the more the merrier. But if there are a couple of Troopers singling out that area, something is amiss.
Notbeing one to play into conspiracy theories, but the very first things that came into my mind were #1 studios is known to host a lot of politicians #2 a lot of those people will be the ones making the decision to change the way fines are collected on citations issued by the NAPD in order to keep the bulk of that fine money here in town, and not to the state. Take that how you will.
Bottom line, Thank you ISP for trying to help keep our streets safe here in New Albany, but there are a lot of dangerous roads in the rural areas of the district.
(also readers keep in mind that there will be increased patrols and roadblocks by ISP in this district in the coming weeks)
This is over Diane but Doug can't protect all his cut a deal councilmembers.
More nonsense. "This is over Diane" What is that supposed to mean?
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Let the Healthcare March Madness Begin!!!
It's time for us ordinary people (not party hacks) stand up and March on April 15, 2010 in Washington DC and be heard.
How funny is it that she has to specify that the party hacks are not really party hacks!
On his no-debate-zone blog, Coffey wrote that we need a grant writer who is outsourced, paid on contract and not a staff member who will be paid expensive benefits like health insurance. Funny, that was the proposal that Coffey voted against. Guess he didn't read the ordinance.
Just a brief note on the grantwriter position (and before I get hacked apart for this posting, yes I do have experience in the area)
If the city would simply enter into a contract with an professional grantwriter, and pay the grant writer a percentage of money received, there would be no need for benefits, no need for a continuous salary, etc.
They get paid after the RFP's are accepted, and the grants are funded and the money is drawn down. And yes there are those in this community that would jump on that chance, best part is, that position would practically cost zip, zero, nada to taxpayers.
Great topic, Shirley.
How much of the ISP / Bar's issue is because Main St. is a state highway while Spring St.
I don't know enough about state police to know how much they limit their activities to state highways and leave city streets more or less to city cops.
Could this be a factor in while Studios is being hit more than, for example, Conner's Place?
Bring on the state police! How many times have we heard that there are not enough city police to cover the city? One City patrolman in most districts at night. Even our own police chief stated he appreciates the assitance. What's the uproar for?
"Thank you ISP for trying to help keep our streets safe here in New Albany, but there are a lot of dangerous roads in the rural areas of the district."
Drunk drivers on city streets are just as dangerous as roads in the rurual area. If they stop the drunk drivers in the city it will stop them from getting onto the roads in the rural areas.
The report in the paper cites statitistics of deaths in New Albany Township. I am sure if you checked that most if not all would be on 111 between City Limits and the Riverboat.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, TO THE INDIANA STATE POLICE WHO TOOK THEIR TIME TO PROTECT OUR DOWNTOWN FROM DRUNK DRIVERS.
IF THEY ARE WATCHING FOR THE DRUNK DRIVERS DOWNTOWN, THEN, OUR LOCAL POLICE CAN PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS FROM BREAKINS, ROBBERY AND RAPE.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU TO THE INDIANA STATE POLICE FOR YOUR HELP.
And from the meth labs and drug operations in people's homes.
Sorry Shirley, I have to back up the ISP. Throwing Benedetti into the argument didn't quite make sense as she was stopped on Slate Run Road.
We need all the police protection we can get and I have to say more power to them. Thank you for allowing me to disagree.
...staying in a city that have coverage by the local police, in my humble opinion, is not avery good plan.
EVEN THE POLICE SAY THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OFFICIERS TO COVER THE CITY. SOUNDS LIKE HAVING ISP HERE HELPS CITY POLICE OUT AND DOESN'T COST THE CITIZENS ANYMORE MONEY. SOUNDS LIKE IT IS A GREAT PLAN TO ME.
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It's a win win for New Albany with the ISP here. My tax dollars pay for them too. Roll out the red carpet for them.
give me a break..now some are complaining that we are getting extra protection by state police. first they complain we need more officiers and wanting to spend edit to get them and then in the next breath telling the state police to get out of town we don't need you. LMAO
NEWS FLASH !
It was just announced that Mathes Pharmacy on Charlestown Road in NA
was robbed this afternoon.
So-- Mayor England, you should not tell the Indiana State Police that we do not need them in New Albany.
We need all of the Police protection that we can get to keep our families safe in New Albany.
Let the Indiana Police keep their eye on drunken drivers downtown, so that New Albany Police can protect our community.
so everything is mayor england's fault? even hold ups? give me a freaking break!
NEWS FLASH #2
It was just announced on WHAS NEWS that there is a "stand-off" in Southern Estates off Charlestown Road.
Police have blocked off the area.
No other details right now.
Yes, Mayor England, we do need the Indiana State Police to watch
downtown New Albany for drunken drivers so that our NA Police can
protect our neighborhoods.
Thank you, to the Indiana State Police
You guys are like Pavlov's dog. This whole city could be an experiment in mass psychosis. Therapists would come here the way fly fisherman go to Montana.
If there were any African-Americans or Arabs on this board, and I doubt that, they could tell you why the state police/drunk driving enforcement issue matters.
Hint: Not because any of us believe that there should not be enforcement of drunk driving laws.
It's because as it currently has been standing, people are being assumed to be guilty for the purpose of probable cause in administering a sobriety test simply because they are seen walking out from a tavern.
African Americans and Arabs know exactly what that's like. It's called profiling (it's also called poaching). The pasty white folks here, including me, do not. At least until now, if they like to drink a beer in public.
Profiling. It's all about enforcing the law without equitable standards of probable cause that we would squawk about like banshees if it were deprived from us, say, if the very fact of buying a firearm brings the cops to your house in the assumption that you're about to commit a crime.
Why, that would be a police state, wouldn't it? Any of you heard about innocent until proven guilty, or does that only apply to people you like?
Not only are profiling and poaching lazy, unconscionable policing, they're also damaging violations of fair play, a system based on laws, and all the other sacred rights that all of us say we believe in until we can use their deprivation to bash an enemy.
It's like this. Whether we succeed or fail, the current generation of restaurants and pubs is the only economic sector to bring life to downtown in decades. Some of you reading this would be happy to shut all of us down just to prove your own predictions about how nothing can work.
That's realy sad. Bring on the psychologists.
Pretty well said
New Albanian, tell your patrons to have designated drivers with them. Your stance makes no sense to me.
Has nothing to do with driving businesses out of town.
Maybe you wish it did.
boy shirley you really are a doug england parrot arent you? Bottom line, you have a lack of ability or will to enforce drunk driving in downtown New Albany by local police then I say let the state boys take care of business. Turn out the lights your party is over Doug, Baylor, Benedetti and whoever else feels they can run to the downtown NA drunk zone with immunity, oh excuse me the revitalized downtown new albany.
you are so toast Shirley, best advice sober up and realize you are following the wrong crowd
My stance is that it's supposed to be a system of laws and rules. Most people posting here repeat this all the time, so evidently we all agree, and that's good.
In all cases, our stance as a nation supposedly is that a person is innocent until proven guilty.
Do you want it to be otherwise? As a minority, do you want to be profiled?
state police arent profiling anybody beer belly, local cops arent getting the job done in downtown NA, WHY? Could it be that a certain mayor has told them to back off? I am glad the state has decided to start cleaning things up at your progressive pints and other overpriced havens for the wannabe and next year's has beens.
Drink up your state cop is watching
The King is bitter.
Like I've said before: I've invested heavily in ... my beer belly. More than you have in your city. Then again, you're another one of those Republicans in Democrat's clothes.
Sod off.
Its called trolling for fish (or at least it used to be). I dont mind having the extra police here in town, but I think there are areas that would be better served that have less coverage by their local police (if they have them) or county police.
I just have a slight issue with in so far as fundamentally it is no different that setting up outside target, following a car after it leaves, stopping them for a license plate light out, just in case they may have shoplifted.
Yes, police can stop you for any number of infractions, which may lead to subsequent checks for other violations, but how many of these people have presented a REASONABLE indication that they may be driving with a BAC over the legal limit?
I am all about getting drunks out from behind the wheel, and I am all about the coommunity being kept safe, but if this is occurring on a regular basis outside one or two establishments, then I just think it is a wsate of resources unless the percentage of persons caught diriving drunk clearly warrants it.
So Roger...we understand you are now having sewer problems. Could have happen to a better business than yours. Just maybe your not even hooked up to city sewers.
Welcome to deep shit, smelly brewhouse.
Cleaned out your sewer traps lately? Why are you so important to have your sewers CCTV? Wow, you must be really up Dougie's butt.
Maybe your patio and sidewalk is the problem...Sir.
For the sake of argument, who says the ISP is profiling? England?
I haven't heard of ISP harrassing anyone on Market St. Studios is on Main and Main is a State Highway.
Again, who, besides two or 3 people (let's see, Studios, Connors and Richo's) say the ISP is profiling?
If you are not doing anything wrong and have a busted taillight that is pretty much all they are going to get you for.
DESIGNATED DRIVERS - A MADD individual.
10:46
Did you bother to read the post where it said the plumbers where coming? Did you stop to think that maybe, just maybe the plumbing company has fiber optic cameras to check the drains. HELLOOOOOOO!!
CD-"Did you stop to think that maybe, just maybe the plumbing company has fiber optic cameras to check the drains."
CCTV=Closed Circuit TV - the city has one- Sewer Board Meeting November 21, 2006: "Mr. Dixon stated that he had claims for ...and Cues-Sewer CCTV Truck for $69,500 which includes $7,500 for additional cost of new truck".
Besides the private plumbers, the city should investigate this problem also. Jackhammer sidewalk or street? Maybe concrete filled a sewer pipe? No Sewer Connection? Someone call the wastewater plant and tell EMC to come check this situation out. Does Roger need EPA, also?
I'm told that the plumbers have located the problem and will have it repaired today.
I doubt the EPA is necessary. Thank you for your concern.
New Albanian, tell your patrons to have designated drivers with them. Your stance makes no sense to me.
I have not heard of anyone arrested for DD after leaving Bank Street Brewhouse.
Maybe the little people who know all can post all ISP and NAPD DD citations for the last year and we can see where the problem is.
TO 3/9 7:51PM
I don't need to "sober up" as you said since I rarely drink and NEVER drink and drive.
As I said earlier, I think that anyone who drinks and drives deserves to be arrested. People who drink and drive kill innocent people, everyone knows that. What I was referring to are stories about the ISP following people and stopping them.
I don't "hang out" at Studios, Conners Place, or BSB. And if I did decide to take a drink I would have my husband with me since he does not drink at all.
My article was not about Diane Benedetti, Doug England, or anyone else. I read the article in the Tribune and decided to express my opinion.
For the record, I don't socialize with the mayor, or city council members. Actually, I am so busy going to meetings that I have very little time to do any socializing.
Maybe the city will notify the Brewhouse "it was an act of God" and they won't pay,like they did every home owner who had sewer back up.
Don't worry I will make that call to EPA anonymous today and notify them myself. Isn't that what watchdogs are suppose to do?
TNA, every back up is important. EPA will be notified, and you can be assured of that. Since you plan to collect on your losses.
What a fine examplem of how "reading comprehension" and "readers of this blog" are seldom used in the same sentence.
I wrote that we had a problem with toilet malfunction. The malfunction is being repaired. It's in the brewhouse, under the floor. There was no backup. There was no issue with the sewer system.
Is that clear enough, or is it really that you'll willfully misread (another word is "lie") like Professor Erika whenever it suits you?
You tell me. Just try to tell the truth while doing it.
I'm sure the EPA comes in, guns drawn, every time a toilet backs up. Happens at my house every week!
Roger, I wish "reading comprehension" and "readers of this blog" applied to comprehension of audits too.
Mathes Pharmacy is getting a new sidewalk. Perhaps they were also shown favortism. Leading the little people to get mad and steal much need mood controlling drugs.
Anyone remember the game "6 degrees to Kevin Bacon"? I bet we could start that here relating to Doug England AND the sidewalk on bank street.
Toilet backups - many times the problems go out to sewer lines in the street.
Been there done that.
Too many 'hops' going down the drain?
Too many 'hops' going down the drain?
Breathtaking ignorance, even by the standards of this board.
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Jeff Gillenwater said...
"We keep voting people into office who are anti-public schools. Why are we surprised when they govern like this?"
Where is the Gillenwater support for public Schools I see support for Montesori School.
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Board of Directors
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5:23
Jeff Gillenwater did not write that. It was Rev. John Manzo. Please at least try to get it someone straight before bashing people.
Where is the Gillenwater support for NAFC schools? I see their support for Montesori School which takes funding away from our NAFC schools.
5:34 they all be hypocrites saying one thing then doing another just like them saying city need more police then saying we dont need state police in city they should only be in rural areas cause of conspiracy that they trolling for fish in the city
Typical cowardly VOP disinformation, so much so that I imagine it's Copperhead Coffey hiding behind the keyboard -- which, by the way, is the topic of my column tomorrow. Enjoy, dudes.
any you notice that newalbain post more on this blog to advertise himself and to bash other people than people responds to the post on his blog great blog here aint it kid
"5:34 they all be hypocrites saying one thing then doing another just like them saying city need more police then saying we dont need state police in city they should only be in rural areas cause of conspiracy that they trolling for fish in the city"
Very good job at twisting the context of my words to try and use them against me.
But you miss one very important point, which obviously is beyond your comprehension. I am not against ISP, and I am not against ISP patrolling our city.
Simply put, I feel, in my opinion, that there are other areas that could benefit better from their presence other than NA.
But, being true to form, you have to take every single statement and try to turn it against anyone who posts anything who is not in your precious little click that acts like a rag-a-muffin group of popularity contest school girls.
Funny part is, you can cite certain posts word for word when it suits you, but other times you wrongfully get the author, the context, and words all wrong in your attempt to villianize people.
So pathetic, and so predicatble.
Remember his sewers are backed up so he is still full of crap.
6:25 said
"Simply put, I feel, in my opinion, that there are other areas that could benefit better from their presence other than NA."
Great point. You must feel we are adequately protected here in the City and dont need ISP or to hire more City Police.
Funny I do not recall saying that. I do not recall discussing the staffing levels of NAPD.
However, as compared to Greenville, Henryville, Utica, etc, we are in much better shape as far as response time for an officer in an emergency, or in so far as preventative patrols. (I.E. how does the number of serious injury or fatality accidents occur on main street Vs. Hwy 150, Pearl Street Vs. Hwy 160, State street Vs. hwy 111 south of 2 mile lane?
There seems to be a lack of consideration of the totality of circumstances surrounding this situation, and too much attention is being made for efforts to make attacks against individuals, not debating the merits and issues surrounding the current topic.
Looks like Messer is in a heap of trouble. To think Roger called Denhart a racist, what will he call Messer? See tomorrow's CJ.
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Priceless...
Looks like FOS scooped the Tribune again!
I wonder if Streckfus family had a building permit or was it free?
Why does Roger continue to attack Coffey? He has a tight to shut down comments when he knows it's the progressives. A violation of Roger's FOS.
Pleezeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Not even an acknowledgement of error, much less an apology for attributing a quote to the wrong person. Just more piling on.
Tell me again, why should I believe anything that you anonymous cowards write? Why won't the person responsible for the error stand up and take responsibility for their error? It's not like it is a difference of opinion or political thought. It was flat out wrong, easy to prove and still no personal responsibility from the anonymous crowd. Even with a bag over your head you can't admit to being wrong.
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What meeting will you be attending tonight?
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I really do hate to detract from the actual subject at hand, but I did want to respond to this:
"Why does Roger continue to attack Coffey? He has a tight to shut down comments when he knows it's the progressives. A violation of Roger's FOS.
Pleezeeeeeeeeeeeee."
Perhaps, a recent situation is part of the concern regarding Coffey. I had sent emails to every single council person who has an email address (we know which one doesn't supposedly have one),
And of all the council members I contacted regarding the information for federal funding for sewer assistance, were eager to get the information. Of course, no word from Dan Coffey.
I do not particularly dislike Mr. Coffey, nor do I particularly like Mr. Coffey, I quite indifferent to him to be honest.
But one would think that with all of zest and zeal regarding the "town hall" he held to help the public, and to do all he can do to avoid rate increases, one would think that if was offered information, along with a pledge from a US Senator for all the possible assistance that senator can offer to help the city obtain any funding available, he would jump right on that, but nothing, not a word.
And this is not the only situation, for the most part, my take is he (Mr. Coffey) tends to see things in only black and white, and generally accepts an attitude of "it's my way or no way at all".
We had seen this when he was council president, we had seen this with the smoking ordinance, etc.
So, Roger calls him out, so what. Why is that any different that all of the bashing and finger pointing going on against CM Gonder, Against the mayor, or deputy mayor, or the Code enforcement officer, Chief of Police, or any other "political figure" that is the bullseye on targeted rants.
Each and everyone of us has the ability to write up something and have it published in the paper, to counter what Roger says, or to do the same thing Roger does against anyone in office any of us feel are not up to the job.
The biggest hold up on that, as far as the concerned people here goes, is you ahve to sign your name to what you submit, and that has to be verified before it is published. (well you also can't go around saying the mayor is going to prison, etc.)
Bottom line, Baylor is afforded no preferential treatment in his submissions to the paper above anything any of us could do, with perhaps the exception of a regular column. However, his writing skills are above average, he gets it in on a deadline, and he is willing to sign his name.
So has many others signed their names. They also get attcked by Roger.
You can do better than that.
So has many others signed their names. They also get attcked by Roger.
You can do better than that.
See, thats the thing, I do not have to do better than that, becuase this one is NOT an opinion, this one is a fact.
What Roger says about Coffey is no worse (if not better) than the publicly posted statements against dozens of people all the time by certain people. The biggest difference is he signs his name. As far as your assertation, yes, some that would counter Roger sign their names, but the number of those people are very few.
10:22-"And this is not the only situation, for the most part, my take is he (Mr. Coffey) tends to see things in only black and white, and generally accepts an attitude of "it's my way or no way at all"
NOW IF THAT ISN'T THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK. Many feel the same way about you, the newalbanian kid, iamhoosier, and some of the others righteous name signing people on here.
I will let you have that, I do tend to stick to my guns. But I DO admit when I am wrong, and I have done so on here, and I do apologize as well.
HOWEVER (since we are using caps to yell), one thing thats sets us apart from the subject at hand, is Mark, Myself, Roger and th other self righteous name signers, we are not elected officials that have a sworn duty and moral obligation to fairly represent the people who elected them to office.
An elected official should not act in a biased manner, and should definately NEVER reuse to accept information that could benefit the publicc in which they serve.
Now, think hard, and find a way to turn that around on me. (before you say it, I have no interest in running for office, so save that little attempted insult about how I couldnt get elected if I tried, blah blah blah)
Can you name one elected official in NA that does not act in a biased way?
That is it go ahead and try to change the subject because you are nailed. And speaking of the post and the kettle are you all going to apologize for misquoting someone and turning something someone else said against him because his family works someplace outside public schools? Talk about your hypocrites.
I don't think I will take on that question right now, but it is a good one.
However,Would you care to answer to the point of the posts or ask questions that distract from the issue?
Does your employer pay you to blog all day?
Can you name one elected official in NA that does not act in a biased way?
On of the best parts about being anonymous is that your bias and your hypocrisies are hidden.
Does your employer pay you to blog all day?
I'm waiting for anonymous to reply that her employer pays her to blog.
Or is it that you're unemployed?
Or is it that the hospital doesn't know you're blogging?
Or is it that you're a "Self-Employed" pot dealer?
Again, my hours are not set, I do not work a normal 8-4 or 9-5 monday through friday.
But trying to change the subject to my work hours is not relevent to the dialog, which obviously has hit its mark since the only replies have been to try and change the subject.
So thank you for helping to prove my point.
Chritopher D and 1:02 the question was what elected official in NA does not act in a biased manner? This was relevant to Christopher D response concerning the statement he made in regards to Coffey since he claimed Coffey acts in a biased manner. Trying to understand how that statement only applies to Coffey and justifies the continued attacks against him alone.
I'm retired! Hardly ever home now, but love to blog where ever I go with my portable lap top.
Wonder if a bunch of us retirees could form an Anonymous group.
We could really drive some people nuts.
3:47
I respect your point, I honestly do. But it is obvious that the poster was trying to distract attention away from the context of my post, not to keep it on course.
But allow me to rephrase that question in a more understandable format;
Why is it so blasphemus that Roger write somethign negative about Coffey, yet it is not only acceptable, but praised when suppossedly dozens (by some accounts hundreds) of people continuously post even more damning peices against persons like the mayor, or John Gonder, or against Roger, Mark or myself. It has even spread to Shirley now if she says anythign that you all do not like.
I am not trying to be argumentative I swear it, I just for the life of me can not figure out why, if we all want to make NA a better place to live, why this keeps happening.
Chris, I will be damned if I know.
meanwhile, jeffersonville commits to $15 million new sewer plant at river ridge. this looking to the future ensures sewer capacity for next generation and ensures that growing/relocating businesses/employers can operate at in jeffersonville. if only new albany had its sh*t together like this.
price and coffey are the main reasons we deal more with sewer sh*t than having our sh*t together.
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