There were only two items on the agenda tonight, so our city council meeting only lasted about 40 minutes.
The items in question were: G-10-02 Ordinance Establishing a Full-Time Common Council Attorney. There was quite a bit of discussion both pro and con. Mr. Coffey and Mr. Price both stated that they had nothing against the candidate but with the city budget in the condition it is they did not see a need for a full time attorney at this time.
Mr. Gonder did not believe that the city was served by a part time attorney. He mentioned all of the questions about the sewers, cleaning up the ordinance book, and people questioning our local government's integrity. He added that there is a need to search out ways to utilize the attorney.
The ordinance was voted down 5-4 with Mr. Coffey, Mr. Price, Mr. McLaughlin, Mr. Gahan, and Mr. Zurschmeide voting against.
The second agenda item was R-10-06 Resolution To Purchase Garbage Lids, and Lid Replacements along with Installation of New Lids From The Riverboat Fund. Mr. Malysz said the Mayor had requested this item be added to the agenda. There was discussion on this issue also but after establishing that the city owns these cans and is obligated to maintain them the resolution passed with a show of hands.
During the comments from the city officials, Mr. Malysz mentioned that the Mayor is interested in re-establishing a Human Rights Commission since there have been a few issues in the past couple of years that would warrant such. Sounds like an interesting idea to me.
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1 – 200 of 344 Newer› Newest»Gonder is history, bye bye John, you keep on sticking to the taxpayers Gonder and watch your re-election go away.
Thanks for the report, Shirley.
Jeff Gahan's apparently permanent shift to the dark side will puzzle New Albanians for generations to come -- or next week, whichever comes first.
Benedetti trial changed to May 10. Coffey opening a new blog. This should be real interesting. He has a good letter in today's Tribune but...the need to audit the Sewer books. I'm in support of Citizens being at the table with other council members. The Police need to go to a two tierd system and rein all this mismanagement of England's spending. While were at it we need to add a special New Albant beer tax.
Good morning -- New Albany.
oops (typo), New Albany beer tax.
Did Hill see THE Commie flag, oh that's right, Hill is a radical too. Birds of a feather flock together.
Ah, yes. I love the smell of coffee (not copperheads), real beer being brewed, and cowardly anonymous character assassination first thing in the morning.
Beer tax? Bring it on. How much will it add to your Bud Light?
Can we tax stupid?
A "human rights commission"?
Seriously? Have we had a resurgence of genocide, slavery, segregation or oppression in New Albany lately?
Why would we create a human rights commission when weh aev so many different commissions that do nothing but have a name in the first place?
Since Hill was down at Bankstreet the only loser missing was England, hey maybe when Hill Loses he and Adam Dickey can both work there they will both need jobs
Would you please give it a rest about Bank Street? You are embarrassing yourself and you are embarrassing all of us. We get it; you do not like the owner, how well we get it. If the blog administrator would get some guts and stand up for what’s right she would delete any comments from anyone who posts this kind of drivel.
who would like any business getting free sidewalks, taxpayer financed business loans and contributes nothing to the city he disdains. Europe wants you and all your ignorant followers pergressives
Now, now. The words of anonymous cowards speak against themselves. We need not get agitated. After all, Shirley tolerates the drivel so that wee ones can let us know how they feel, emotionally.
As opposed to factually, and with adult integrity. Right, Kingster?
who would like any business getting free sidewalks,
Yer raht, nonamous.
Everyone who's ever had the sidewalk repaired in front of their businesses or homes needs to get an immediate buyout offer from the city.
Take some of that EDIT money and pay us to move to Europe. A million will do. Heck, Gardner owes me that, according to you.
Please.
LMAO by the hour.
what are you going to do when your beer, I mean crap business goes belly up? guess you will have to work like most people do, oh wait you have no job skills except how to write big words
When it goes BEER BELLY UP??
(HAH HAH HAH)
oh wait you have no job skills except how to write big words
You don't think that's a skill? Just look at most of the comments here.
(LAUGH TRACK)
You only think the words are big because you're a little person.
(SIDES SPLITTING)
You've been a great crowd, but sorry -- gotta go.
ALL THE WAY TO EUROPE, PERGESSIVE.
You folks crack me up.
whats cracking me up is watching you bike in your leotards, your bike lane will be gone too with bankstreet craphouse
better get off the fence shirley we all want to know whose side are you on, make the wrong choice you might as well not even run
read it here first, the ex councilpersons as follows: Gonder, Benedetti, Messer, Caesar and whoever else supports more spending.
Wait until the sewer vote, that's the ones we will nail. Those cowards won't even answer their phones, but we keep leaving messages.
Looks like the progressive couldn't get their full time attorney last night. Good for the little people.
Gosh, Roger in tights. That must be something, let us know when your biking and we'll have to take some photo's.
If I deleted every comment from one person bashing another there would be very few comments remaining.
As I said earlier, as long as a person refrains from four letter words most comments will not be deleted.
There have been comments made about people's families and others which were very rude and in the worst taste. These were also deleted.
We are all adults, we should act as such. And personally I don't believe Mr. Baylor's feelings are hurt by the "beer belly" and "Commie" remarks. He probably gets a laugh, so you are defeating your purpose anyway.
And AGAIN as far as the "fence sitting", I do express my opinion in the comments section of this blog. I don't believe I should be editorializing while posting the details of a council meeting. That should be done in a factual manner in my opinion.
After last night I might suggest Gonder attend anger management. He was not a happy council president at all.
For those attacking Shirley, I think she has been very fair.
He does have a beer belly and fly's the Commie flag, his efforts would be more appreciated in Germany. Let's us know, we'll be happy to help you pack.
I'M NOT A FAN OF COFFEY'S BUT HE'S THE FENSE SITTER AND DEAL CUTTER. DID ANYONE NOTICE HE STILL WANTS TO GIVE THE COPS & FIREMAN $1.8 MILLION? NOW I'M ALL FOR CITIZENS SITTING ON THE BOARDS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WATCH DOG'S. ENGLAND NEEDS TO BE MICRO-MANAGED. I BET HE DON'T SPEND HIS MONEY LIKE HE DOES OURS.
I WANT TO SEE THE SEWER BOOK AUDITED. LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY.
Do cops still get court appearance money? I know several who use to love the extra money.
I like Dan's blog. I think they ought to put Denhart of Citizens For Accountability on that board. She's great with numbers and knows her stuff.
1)I don't feel any developer should be on that board [conflict of interest].
2)I'd personally like to see Kersey, Johnson and Denhart on that board.
Kay wouldn't be cutting many checks and would have NO duplications of over payments.
Why is England afraid to open the books?
3)It would solve every conspiracy theory out there.
4) If you can spend $81,300 on trash lids you can afford an audit.
Thanks Shirley, for allowing me to voice my opinion.
I see the minutes for City Council and Sewer Board meetings have been updated. Now I have to do some reading.
Thank you Marcey.
it would appear that it is fine to talk about certain people say something about dan the man and his checker past and you get deleted
thanks for deleting most of christopher d's post. we get tired of seeing and reading his nonstop bs
or Kersey.
Talk about venom, does Roger think he has to continue to attack Dan Coffey? He's laughing his butt off at you - Roger. You are one sick puppy and need 911 care.
Calling Dr. Drake, get your friend some serious help.
Shirley, can you or the Tribune (Daniel) FIND OUT WHY the City's Year End Financials have not been printed in the legals inside Tribune? The information was due February 28 and I find it more than disconcerting the numbers are not appearing so close to the vote on Sewers. Thank you in advance.
Give it a rest Roger, everyone knows you hate Dan. How immature. Let's see you run for council since you have all the answers and the following you claim. You need serious therphy. Other blogs (this ine include) makes you look very childish an a angry person. Seriously, get some help.
Power to and of the little people.
Thanks Shirley
Maybe the funds are not their to put the report in our local newqspaper.
Under todays Cheers and Jeers the Editor states, we can not use EDIT for sewers.
Question: If we can make sewer bond payments with Edit, the Editor needs to do his homework. And the report used was given to Coffey from me and it was done by Horthwath.
Tribune needs to stop playing politics.
Boycott the Tribune and put them out of business or contact CHNI and complain. It's time for Coach K. to go.
Isn't it sad that someone on Main Street states, there are only four people writing on this blog and Shirley should stop this. Business to slow and you're now an armchair expert on Shirley's blog.
I called the Controller's office this morning about the city financial report. They told me it was published in the Tribune on 2/28.
I checked the Tribune Legals on-line for Feb 28.
http://classifieds.cnhi.com/categoryadlist?test=1&publishername=newstribune&adnumkey=000&categoryname=Legals&datehunt=2010-02-28
I do not see the city financial report. Wonder why? Guess someone needs to ask the Tribune why it can not publish it.
MYSTERY ?
IT WAS MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS COMMENT THAT THE NEW ALBANY END OF THE YEAR 2009 FINANCIAL REPORT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE TRIBUNE ON SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2010.
SORRY, FOLKS, I CAN NOT FIND IT IN ANY SECTION. WHAT HAPPENED ?
IS THIS LIKE THE RESPONSE, WE GET FROM ANY FINANCIAL QUESTIONS THAT THE TAXPAYERS ASK THE CITY ? ? ?
Per our legals department, I was told they have received that financial report but they were not told of any deadline as to when it had to run by. It's scheduled to run this Friday, March 5. I don't know if there was some confusion or lack of communication there, just saw your comments and made a quick call.
Thanks,
Daniel
I saw that the Trib said New Directions will be administering the SEJ 6.7million project.
Is this the same group who administered the Linden Meadows project?
If not does the Trib have any back ground info
I believe they've done some emergency work there of late, but Linden Meadows was managed by New Albany Community Housing, commonly referred to as CHDO. In today's story there's some info on what New Directions does. They run Repair Affair each year, did St. Edward Court and do emergency services for the city based on a contract.
Ever hear of Google?
TRIBUNE:
Charlestown looking to lower sewer rates
face it the tribune , baylor, england, gonder, and so called bookseller are all in this sewer myth together.
youre done gang of losers, liars and wannabees. Now get on your bikes and ride the bike lane out of town
hey doug how's your job prospects look at the hughes group? Dont think they will hire you back after what you have done to NA
Isn't the Mayor 65 years old now?
Time to retire from 'public' service. Maybe he will move to Chicago or Florida.
Daniel,
STATE Law dictates the filing and printing of the year end financials. Feb. 28 is do or die date. As readers do not know when the Tribune received same, we would not know either what kind of snafu occurred.
Shirley, now they are giving YOU false information out of the Controller's office? Everytime in this town just when you think you know who your friends are you will find they are not so friendly when it comes to releasing correct information.
County higher uppers have had to step in now to force Auditor's office to release information to Taxpayers regarding City. It is getting bad. And, it is a shame. I did have more respect for some but losing faith rapidly. Election time is around the corner and I'm surprised County Auditor would even hesitate to do the job required. Shame when you have to have Department of Local Government and Finance on a cell phone so they can order the information turned over. Downright shame.
Wish Mr. Bill Utz was still on sewer board. Doubt the city would be in this current mess.
Go to Feb 11, 2010 sewer board special meeting:
http://newalbany.in.gov/Clerk/Sewer%20Board/
Thank you, Mr. Utz!
Thanks Daniel,
I couldn't remember. I’ll look for the article on the Trib
Getting back to the original post
I was surprised at the outcome on the vote for the attorney.
I think that the overall cost and savings of having the full time attorney would have saved tax payers in the long run.
I read that the cost of the part-time attorney last year was around 21000 and that they had a budget of 26000 or something like that. But if they only budgeted for 26 they would consciously kept in mind to ration the amount of legal service. They may not be receiving the amount of legal information they need. Some of the same individuals that want more information, to make better decisions on votes, voted no. I asked one member why he voted the way he did and his concerns where that the 2010 budget worried him. Maybe after they figure the budget out the attorney issue can be brought back up.
And I know that I’m not accurate on my figures just ball parking
For the 14000 more they would have had unlimited accesses to legal advice.
There are more advantages other than this.
I agree with you, Jameson.
(you can get up off the floor now)
RE: the info from the Controller's office.
Daniel said the Tribune has received the info and it will be published 3/5. So I was given correct information, the Tribune just has not published it yet.
I'm with Freedom Of Speech on this one. How come Editor Steve Kozarovich won't print this letter in the Tribune?
Great job Erik and staff, they believe in FOS unlike the Tribune does.
Boycott the Tribune, put them out of business.
I'm not a big fan of Deatrick's but he did hit the nail right on the head. Thanks to FOS for putting the letter out there for all to see.
I think Coach K. screwed up big time, this time.
Two thumbs up.
Coffey Kochert Baylor Smith England Charlemane Denhart Pot Smoker WHO CARES. The city does not revolve around these fringe ego people and the rest of us laugh at all of you.
Kozarovich is as out of touch as England. Now is not the time to be playing politics.
7:56 speak for yourself. No one speaks for me. Not even you. Sit in your manson and feel sorry for yourself.
The Tribune has no obligation to print that or any letter. "Fredom of speech" as in the US constitution has to do with governments inability to regulate the press.
Plus since it's already out there why should they print it?
It's out there on Freedom Of Speech because the Tribune refused to print it. Hats off to FOS for allowing those of us who needs to be informed.
Unlike you.
There is a difference between a sidewalk and a taxpayer patio. Don't you know the difference?
That's a good one.
Too funny.
Randy Smith, The Wannabe Councilman of the 1st distict says:
"We invested our money in New Albany. What has Dan Coffey invested"?
Translation, which seems to be the mantra for all the downtown "progressives" especially Roger Baylor the Faux City Council President: "I had to borrow money to start a business, therefore I deserve government assistance because I am doing the rest of you poor slugs a favor for locating here in downtown Nawbany".
That is the crux of it. This johnny come lately group wants assistance because they are doing us a favor pushing tabloids and booze.
The truth is, you two are takers. You stand there with your hand out looking for Dan Coffey and Steve Price to throw you $'s, and get ticked when they decline.
My advice is stop taking, and start giving to this community. Even though you two are a couple of transplants, stop asking for tax money and public assistance and start contributing. How about a little league team for starters? Good Grief!
Dan Coffey and Steve Price continue to defend the rate and tax payers despite continous attacks by you two. I hope they can remain vigilant.
Dear 11:11,
Please identify anything I've ever taken.
Randy (and others), you say that "Using EDIT to subsidize sewer rates is unequivocally against the law".
What Indiana Code have you found that states that fact? I can not find it.
P.S. EDIT should be used for Capital Improvement Projects that are still needed for the sewers. I believe the sewer board is negotiating about $7 million more work with EPA.
Someone should add up the amount of sewer bond money paid, (principal & interest), insurance, legal fees, administrative fees, EDIT, TIF, etc. Then figure out how much per capita the sewer customers have paid from February 1990 to February 2009.
Will freedom of speech print my Manifesto? I have tried to get the Tribune to publish it but they keep refusing.
Dan Chandler writes:
"Had all the TIF funds been used for (for example) sewer improvements, they would have been unavailable to help Purdue’s and WindStream’s job creation effort. Had TIF funds been used for sewer improvements, our sewer bills would have been lower, but our future prospects for high paying jobs in New Albany would be lower too, as would our prospects for the additional tax revenue that WindStream will generate".
What BS. Get the fecal matter out of your ears. If we didn't have the money to extend the sewer to Purdue, this would all be a moot point, right? You guys are so busy trying to argue against the use of TIF and Edit funds for sewers, you are stepping all over your own arguments.
You are on the Economic Development Board? I can only hope you quit before you do too much more damage.
God help us.
I have no objection to using TIF balances to ameliorate sewer costs. I do object to using EDIT to subsidize private sewer bills.
I believe TIF was used for sewers out Purdue's way. At this point, EPA may continue to say NO to any new development needed to tap onto sewers anyway, so any new jobs that require sewer use will have to go elsewhere (Clark Co?).
That is the crux of it. This johnny come lately group wants assistance because they are doing us a favor pushing tabloids and booze.
The truth is, you two are takers. You stand there with your hand out looking for Dan Coffey and Steve Price to throw you $'s, and get ticked when they decline.
Jameson and Shirley: Are you reading? No rocks, no BS, just answers below.
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I'll try to offer a response to this. The crux to me is that the assessment in anonymous's comment excerpted above isn't true.
NABC investment monies have come from Main Source Bank, the US Small Business Administration, the owners and other private sources. We took advantage of the Horseshoe Foundation revolving loan program as administered by One Southern Indiana. We lease from Steve Resch. All of this is public knowledge.
As with the Bookseller preceding, I must act: What is it that we've taken or asked for from the city?
All I can think of is the sidewalk, which has been the subject of many assumptions, and even though I've set it straight before, I'm happy to do it again.
It was our intent all along to use a section of the attached parking lot for a patio. This we did, entirely funded by ourselves and the building owner.
We also had a plan to convert the streetside space into open air dining. This required negotiating with the city. If the city agreed to repair and extend the sidewalk, we'd spend the rest to make it look good.
The Board of Public Works approved sidewalk reconstruction, not just for BSB, but for businesses on both sides of us. We and the building owner paid for all the rest. I'm told that the bid came in well below what had been expected.
Divide the sidewalk expenditure three ways, between us, Ricke Associates and Fox Law, and it comes to somewhere around $2,500 for our share.
The sidewalk dated from the mid-1950's. Had the Rainbow Thrift Store, Fox Law and Ricke asked for a new sidewalk eight or ten years ago, I suspect they'd have gotten it.
I understand there's room for honest disagreement, but as far as I can see, the above figure for sidewalk repair and extension is the total to date that we've asked for and received from the city.
Can the writer tell me what monies we're asking for from CMs Coffey and Price?
Even though you two are a couple of transplants, stop asking for tax money and public assistance and start contributing.
Can you tell me what tax money and public assistance you're referring to? Thanks.
BTW, in case anyone is wondering, as of August 3, I'll have completed 50 years living in Floyd County, of which the past 17 have been in New Albany itself. How this makes me a transplant is unclear.
Matt Denison told me himself that the Brewhouse did not get permission from the Board of Works before you done the patio, go look at the Board of works minutes folks and see that Baylor went before the Board of Works "after" and again I repeat "after" the patio was poured. Why because they got so many complaints. Where are citizens suppose to walk on Bank Street? I guess it's suppose to be ok we have to walk in the street to give you a patio. BTW scan your cancelled check on here and prove you paid your third. Do you really think us little people buy your BS? It is not up to us to prove anything, read the minutes. it's now up to you. Like we always said, if you have nothing to hide scan that bill from the concrete company with a date and a cancelled check. I understand from a family member of yours you won't be in business by the end of the year on bank street. Their words not mine. After England is gone from office so will those bike lanes be gone.
Tell them all on here how you got Richo's Roger? You under estimate what all we know about you and others. We just haven't showed our cards yet.
Again I say, any man who attacks a woman isn't work the powder to blow him up. That hurt your name and business more than anyone expected.
Like I indicated, no BS.
Matt's right, and you're absolutely right about the Board of Works timing. Try to understand that my company does not own the building, we lease it. After we met with the city to discuss the plan, I was left with the impression that the building owner would go to the Board of Works. This proved not to be the case.
As soon as I was made aware of the necessity of appearing to be the front man and explain, that's what I did. It was a mistake, but an honest one. Little I say at this point will convince you personally, but there are others who might be willing.
And: I didn't ever say that we paid for a third of the sidewalk. I said that we paid for eveything else, via our landlord's construction company. Rather, I said that the city paid entirely for the sidewalk, and that if you divided it among the three frontages, it would work out to a third for each.
You might ask Ricke, Fox, Mike Wickliffe, Mike Smith and others how their portion of the sidewalks worked out. I can't speak for them.
The sidewalk was reconstructed to provide egress for pedestrians as well as space for tables. That was the plan and the purpose.
I'll tell you about my profit and loss statements if you share your income tax return with me. Most people reading know that startups are tough in the best of circumstances. We work as hard as we can, just like anyone else.
What does this have to do with your point?
And: What do bike lanes have to do with it?
Thanks.
Tell them all on here how you got Richo's Roger?
Even though I don't think it's any of your business, still, if you can tell me why this matters, I'll gladly relay the details, which are public knowledge and have bene published in numerous press articles.
Thanks.
After reading todays Tribune, I sure hope TheNewAlbanian is never planning on running for public office. He doesn't get it either. Without sewers being fixed (infrastructure) there is NO development. Whar is EDIT? you got it, it is used for infrastucture and what is infrastructure? Sewers.
nuff said 4 now.
In fact, I've never planned on running for public office.
I have two serious questions.
Steve Price often says that we shouldn't put all the eggs in one basket.
Given this, should we put all the EDIT monies in one sewer system?
If I'm reading Dan Coffey's blog correctly, he's now saying that spending EDIT and TIF can reduce the rate of a fee increase.
He does not seem to be disputing the increase itself, merely looking for ways to reduce it.
Am I reading it right?
What a sweet deal for the owner of your building who got the contract. Boy does that smell. Like Henderson always said, if it's not in the minutes it never happen. An honest mistake, come on Roger, what was the Board of Works going to do, use a jackhammer and break up the concrete? This ia another example of what is wrong with New Albany. Most business would be fined and had hell to pay,splashed all over the front page. Agian folks, this is another example of knocking on the Mayor's door and getting something from Doug. Does free beer justify a mistake? No wonder England stays drunk at Studio's.
Great job anonymous for finding this in the Board of Works minutes and talkiing with Dennison.
Another gotcha moment at "The Voice of the People."
Two thumbs up, anonymous.
blah, blah, blah about Price. Leave my councilman alone. He's done more for us than you ever will. Don't you have any customer to take care of or employees to boss around.
It's simple. I thought the building owner would do it, and he thought I'd do it. That's the sum total of the conspiracy. Any of you reading who's ever made a mistake in your life can relate to it. Those that haven't, cannot. It isn't nuclear physics.
And: Knowing that everyone's loading for bear to pop me as soon as I screw up, there's not much reason to screw up intentionally, is there? It'll happen eventually because I'm human.
I've always been told taht there is money allocated for repairing sidewalks. Like anyone might, we asked for it, and threw in money of our own to improve the building and streetscape. That's straight up, even if I can't change your feelings about it.
I feel good about it, because that section of the street looks far better than before, it's producing wealth, not draining it, and the cost to the city has been a pittance.
And: If this wasn't about your negative feelings toward me, you'd be picketing Wick's and Rick Fox too. You're not, are you?
Attention Mr. Baylor without sewers THERE is NO more development, or businesses in New Albany. That's how @#$&! stupid you ARE!!!!!!!!!
See folks this is an example what happens when you spend money on downtown and not fix what needs to be done.
This is also an example of a businessman who has NO common sense and thinks all our money should go to police, fire and downtown.
Nuff said 4 now.
I'm leaving Steve Price alone. Today, I'm merely asking whether the sin of putting all eggs into one basket applies to all matters, or just some. If just some, then which ones and why?
It's merely a question.
Thanks.
TNA, you mispelled a word on line eleven.
The jig is up.
Oops. Hate it when that happens.
blah, blah, blah about Price. leave my councilman alone. He's done more for us than you ever will.
He's my councilman too but he's never done one thing for me. I never see him except at council meetings and playing the guitar. He might be doing stuff for his landlord buddies but I don't see the guy doing anything for me, that for sure!
Anon 1:35- Let's see who you are:
"I never see him except at council meetings and playing the guitar. He might be doing stuff for his landlord buddies but I don't see the guy doing anything for me, that for sure!"
Ann, I thought it was you, but we don't see you at Council meetings or watching him play guitar. So I guess it is the other Ann writing on here.
If 'you' are not either of the Anns writing incorrect info, then I guess 'you' must be a man.
We are still backing Steve!
I had to chuckle when I just read NAC.
Ann the snitch & Nip #$%&! of Main Street said: Moving 5th graders to middle schools is a bad, bad idea. This coming from some one who home schooled her kid. Then enrolled her in St. Mary's. (boy you sure must sell a lot of seeds.)
Save Silver Street said: blah, blah, and blah. Hey sweet cheecks you all blew it last year when you supported the teachers.
They are just like the Police, and Fire they priced themselves right out of a school. You can give all the interviews, you can point your finger at the school board, Clere, Daniel's but the truth be known for three years the teachers union didn't want to give up nothing. They bitched about to many students, wanted raises and to keep their great insurance at a ($250 deductable.)They got their raises, kept their insurance but cost others their job. Add on all the TIF'S New Albany has and that also played into it. It's a waste of time it is going to happen, they are also redistricting and will be shifting students to other schools.
Do your homrwork lady and find out how much TIF's cost Silver Street and the other three schools.
They have the votes already so knock yourself out bit*ching, and while you're at it have Baylor jerk the Farmers Market signs and your Save Silver Street School signs down from where they are NOT suppose to be or we will. If it's good for some, then everyone should be able to put up a protest sign.
As they say it's the economy stupid and the mismanagement in New Albany.
Silver Street School would make a nice City County Building. Plenty of room and parking. See everything will work it's self out.
Pine View could serve as a Youth Center.
have Baylor jerk the Farmers Market signs and your Save Silver Street School signs down from where they are NOT suppose to be or we will.
You have that right, I believe. I've exercised it and will continue to do so. No reason why you can't. Shall we meet and work together?
I'm curious 3:56, just who held you back from making a success of yourself?
Hey Vicki, (beauty shop owner), the progressives will save your business on Spring St. as long as you come join us instead of Coffey.
LMAO
I'm curious 4:25, I don't think your reading comprehension is very good.
Or just plain comprehension.
You ought of the basement yet, 4:25?
Come on you can do it.
Outside/sunlight=good
Basement/delirium=bad.
Hey 4:25 I think your favorite quote of dumb and stupid fits you particularly well again today.
“Jameson and Shirley: Are you reading? No rocks, no BS, just answers below.”
Sorry I haven't been on here in awhile
Roger, if the no BS or rocks is for me Thank You. Without it we can have genuine discussion.
To clear it up I never had anything against BSB. In fact if the city had EDIT money that was not appropriated and they were trying to find a place to spend it. I think using it to accommodate a business would be a good use.
Leading by example makes your arguments more credible.
If I see a comment that in my opinion is not constructive, I ignore it.
Thanks, Mark
I knew we could agree on something
Did anyone read the sewer board minutes posted and listen to Mr. Bill Utz talk about the money and projects, etc.? Thanks.
Mr. Utz told someone yesterday, he had no idea where (England) are getting those numbers to justify a rate increase of any kind.
Being away from the computer for a few days, I find how this thread has turned regarding the school systems announcement interesting at best.
Glancing through, I did notice that the anonymous horde was able to turn this against certain people in the community. (Such as Ann, which those comments were completely uncalled for)
There is a simple cause for all of this. Remember that little issue a couple of years back when a group formed to protest property taxes and demanded reform? They claimed they could not afford their to keep their houses unless the system was reformed. That they were speaking for the citizens and those with out the means to speak out? (little old lady syndrome again). I remember that, and I remember that is when I first got on the anonymous hordes radar screen and was listed for all out attacks. (one of the reasons I was put on that radar screen back then was because I said in a couple of years, if that passed, we would pay for by way of our childrens education.)
Well, here we are. 4 schools to be shut down, arts and music programs on the chopping block, local jobs on the line, etc. I tune in here after a few days gone, and par for the course the conversation is used a whipping post to attack certain people in the community because they dared to voice their opinion.
I have not read all the posts yet, but surprisingly I dont think anyone has asked how much the fancy LED sign outside the of the administration offices cost to install recently, how much does it cost to operate.
Why hasnt the idea been brought up to sell the multi-million dollar properities on grantline that house the administration offices, and move those into one of the school building that are slated to be closed.
Oh well, such is life here in good old NA, groups form and scream to get what they want, despite the writing all over the wall that it will come back to bite us all in the ass, the career politician fold to them, despite the warnings of what will happen. And when it all comes down, everyone acts so shocked, and hurries to make jabs at people like Ann (why is there such hatred for anyone who runs a successful local business around here anyway?)
Now fire up those keyboards and start attacking, at least that is one thing we can count on as being consistant in this town.
THESE WINGNUTS OVER SCHOOL CLOSINGS NEEDS TO ASK MAYOR ENGLAND HOW MUCH OUR 10 TIF AREAS HURT SCHOOLS. ASK HIM HOW MUCH $ IT TOOK AWAY FROM SILVER STREET. THEN ADD 2.5% RAISES FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS PLUS CADALLIC INSURANCE FOR TEACHERS AND THEM (TEACHERS UNION)COMPLAINING ABOUT TO MANY STUDENTS IN A CLASS = SCHOOL CLOSINGS. YOU DID IT TO YOUR SELVES FOLKS. STOP BLAMING ED CLERE AND THE SCHOOL BOARD. IT'S A DONE DEAL, YOU ALL ARE POINTING THE FINGER AT THE WRONG PEOPLE.
It's not my comprehension(reading or otherwise)that seems to be the problem. The jealousy in your post came through loud and clear. Sounds just like the same people who go around writing about how much money, and how they got it, other people have. Whose fault is it that you evidently never amounted to anything? It had to be the "man", didn't it? No way it could have been your own fault.
Since you have done your homework, how much have TIFs cost the schools? I'm seriously interested.
This comment is directed to Mr.D, since you are such an expert in many areas I suggest you run for council if not Mayor. Why are you not on the mayors butt? The schools loss loads of money from TIFS.
You do your share of attacks to others on here.
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion but NOT your facts.
Have you looked at these council members voting record?
Don't you think the sewer books should be open an audited?
"You people" want benefits you all not the rest of us as a community.
It appears in your many post you defend others and the ones you dislike you question or attack them.
Should I list them all?
Not one time have I ever read an attack on the England administration from any of your post and I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
You let certain council members slide because you don't want to upset your buddies.
But then you attack my councilman Price.
At least look at his voting record he continues to vote based on what information he is given. He can be reached anytime unlike the others.
Price has not one cut a deal with the Mayor unlike the rest.
Is it fair that many people in this town "do not" pay their fair share of, property taxes, fee's, permits, parking tickets and everything else?
Don't you get it, without sewers there will NOT be any development in New Albany?
Should we put all are eggs in downtown and development?
The country is in a recession, people are losing their jobs, healthcare and their homes.
New Albany did not get in the mess in two years, it started way back when England was in the first time.
Remember it cost taxpayers $1 million to keep him out of prison over sewers before?
You want each department ran and keep what fees they collect. Then what we ought to do is break these contracts.
If departments had not over spent and the England mismanaged our money. We would not be in this mess.
He promised he would audit the books when he ran, but instead he's blaming Garner.
If you make so much money you can afford a sewer raye increase and all that you have posted: pay my property taxes and sewer bill. If not mine, maybe the little old lady down your street.
nuff said 4 now
I am hoosier, I suggest you go to the auditor's office and ask Thersea Blaiss to give you that info. It's alot, but complicated to explain.
Also I suggest you contact Larry M. on the county council and he will explain how tax abatements have helped destroy the City of New Albany.
And why the county only has given one (1) Tax abatement.
Trust me, you will be impressed with what many do know and why we have the problems we have.
Pure greed my man, pure greed.
anon 8:58
Simple question:
WTF does that have to do with what I posted about the schools and people attacking Ann?
Simple Question #2:
When I have singled CM price out (other than the time he fell asleep in a council meeting and I got him on camera snoring himself back awake)
Who are my "buddies" I dont want to upset? and how can you justify that I let certain council people "slide"?
Lastly, No I dont post every gripe I have with the current administration on here, I take those to them. I am in contact with them quite a lot regarding issues and problems, and generally speaking I get results by being open, honest, and wiling to enter in give and take, and having REASONABLE expectations of my elected officials.
READ HER BLOG CD:
Did she home school her kid? Yes.
Does her kid go to St. Mary's? Yes.
WTF - Christopher, It's ALL on her blog.
She's a big girl let her defend herself. She sure writes enough about other people. and burns up twitter, and pathway up & down Main Street.
Get a gripe.
lock this looney tune up. I'm not up to one of his semons today. Think I'll go wash my truck.
Tell us your secret Christopher, several council members won't answer their phone over our sewer rate increase.
Thanks buddy
9:18
Big deal... I went to private school up until later years too...
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander, so Price is a big boy and he can take care of himself as well.
Cant have it both ways you know.
As far as my secret, you catch more flies with honey. It has worked on nearly every single issue I have taken to my elected representatives thus far.
I for one do not want to see any schools closed. On the other hand I have to applaud the school system for actually making cost cutting measures and still being able to retain all full time teachers.
Could our local government learn from our school system and see that cutting cost can and does save tremendous amount of money and that the quality of services can still be maintained without always resorting to raising fees?
Fair enough. I don't know how much TIF has cost the schools and neither do you.
I've already proved too many people here wrong on the abatement issue. I'm not going through it again.
Ask Mr. Kochert and Mr. Coffey how many abatements that they have voted for over the years. If even one, they are both hypocrites.
"I've already proved too many people here wrong . . ."
Mr. dumb and stupid back at it again.
WTF yourself sounds like your just jealous because someone has their life together. People who send a kid to private school not only pay for that, but they pay for your public school kid to.
She's a big girl let her defend herself.
She made the original statement at NA Confidential, right?
Right. So doesn't it make sense for you to answer her there, where the statement was made, instead of here, where she does not participate?
What's the problem of engaging here there? Wouldn't that be a more fair way of making your feelings toward her known?
Just wondering.
ditto New Albanian....why spill your crap from your blog over onto this one?
Roger,
You know that will NEVER happen, because there is a level of accountability for ones statements at NAC.
As far as this blog, it has hit a record low level now.
Because a person is successful, and has made some exceptional choices for the education of their child, they are subject to such rantings, and if a person should try to defend them, the person defending the other is at fault, not those who made the statements.
This place ahs become an embarasment to the entire city, and clearly outlines the symptoms of the illnesses that have brought our city down.
ditto New Albanian....why spill your crap from your blog over onto this one?
That's inaccurate. I participate here because (in theory) it's the voice of the people, of whom I'm one.
I'm exchanging with you, here. Previously someone else was attacked here for comments made there.
Doesn't it make more sense to respond there, where the comments were made, than here, where she does not come?
Christopher D. said “Big deal... I went to private school up until later years too...”
Explains why he is unable to perform basic elementary math and spelling.
10:12
You're skillls at insulting are quite disappointing.
I'm not claiming to be or trying to give the appearance of a know it all like you.
Nor do I. You just like to constantly insinuate that I act that way. There are MANY subjects I don’t post anything about and very FEW that I post things that I claim are facts about. But YOU just like to stir up trouble, and keep it stirred up, from behind your little mask as well.
Chris what is your take on the school actually working within the budget and making cuts to stay within the budget? You always appear to support increased fees (i.e. sewer) but not placing any emphasis on government to reduce costs. Your solution is to typically support increase fees and then counsel your clients on how they can reduce cost. Government is generally in the best position to reduce expenses rather than individuals and particularly more so than your clients. Why so little support for accountability in spending and the importance in implementing cost cutting measures in government?
Fair question and will do my best to fairly answer. (but first, I do not support increased fees for sewage, I simply accept the inevitable)
Of course the schools have to work with in the budget, that is a given. (even though that budgetary shortfall is a result of the property tax reform debacle).
Do I think they are making the best decisions, no I personally do not. Why would you close an excellent school, and leave a failing school 2 miles away open?
I question the decision to send 5th graders to "middle school", when my daughter was at hazelwood several years back it was very crowded all ready, and I assume Scribner is the same.
And I DEFINATELY do not support cutting any arts and or music programs out for any students at any grades, of course we can afford a $14 million dollar weight training room for high school athletics, but we can not provide an arts or music class?
To attempt to address you belief that I support increased fees in government, and my solution is counseling clients on how to make savings in their budget to offset those fees, simply put, I do not support new fees or taxes, I do not want them, nor can I afford them. However, there are certain situations where we, as citizens of a city, have no other alternative to but to pay higher fees to maintain a certain expected level of civil services.
And I do expect accountability from my elected officials, after all they work for US, not because of us. But do I extend that level of accountability to constantly rehash mistakes make 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago, no I do not. We can not change what has happened in the past, we can learn from it, but it does no good to fight about it, as is what always happens in this city, We waste so much time, money and energy fighting about what should have been, that we always screw up our future of what could be.
8:58,
Well, I've attacked the administration on the lack of a paving plan(requesting money w/no plan), the Tabernacle, and the fire department boat. Just for 3 items. So, yes, not only could you be wrong, you are wrong.
Anyone asked Mr. Kochert and/or Mr. Coffey about their votes on abatements, yet?
I'm not rehashing so called mistakes from 10, 20, 50, years ago. I am talking about now. The city including the sewers has spent over budget for at least the past couple of years now.
The school has taken the approach that revenues are and will be decreasing so they are making some hard and unpopular decisions in order to stay within budget. They have taken the approach that they have to address this now and cut their spending so that they don’t find themselves in the situation where they have no money to operate and are in default of their debt. When have you heard of this being done for the city or for our sewers?
And tell me, where can the city make effective cuts that would NOT jeopardize public safety, health or well-being?
True we can cut some positions, scale back some hours, cut funding to certain projects, but in the end, what impact would that have on the sewers? (Where you keep going back to)
I do not think it could have any impact on the sewers, because is it not a fact that by state law we as users of a municipal utility have to pay a rate equal to or greater than the operational expenses of that utility?
The great SM Coffey, in his town hall offered no real solutions to this problem, he just cited history going back decades of why the citizenry should fight this and refuse to pay it. (In essence telling his constituency to risk there homes and the equity they have in the home should they have to sell, and to be fiscally irresponsible to protest fiscal irresponsibility!)
"because is it not a fact that by state law we as users of a municipal utility have to pay a rate equal to or greater than the operational expenses of that utility?"
I do beleive that state law requires them to stay within budget.
Also, I do not believe state laws prohibits a utility to cut expenses in order for it's revenues to cover operational expenses.
I don't know why someone decided to attack Ann Streckfus. Yes, she enrolled her daughter in St. Mary's, so what? I went to St. Mary's too.
I agree with the person who commented @ 12:09. There is no point in rehashing the past. We need to concentrate on the present and future.
All of this back and forth attacking is getting us nowhere.
Someone mentioned that the Children's Academy could be used as a youth shelter. They may have been joking but if we lose a school that may be a good use for the building. Same goes for reusing Silver St. for city and county offices.
We are in a terrible situation. The sewers are old and our budget is shot, our children will be bussed to other schools, our most vunerable children are forced to live in an old and unsafe building. CAN WE PLEASE WORK TOGETHER FOR ONCE????
Shirley,
I would be nice if we could all work together for once, but you know as well as I know that will not happen.
I could say I have a great idea, and spell it out, and all that would be accomplished would be to get hacked apart for somethign I may have posted 2 years ago.
Someone else could come up with a great solution, and all that would come of it is a conspiracy theory of how its only an idea to cover up that bank street brew house got a sidewalk because of some smokey back room deal with the north koreans to funnel laundered moeny to subsidize nuclear materials to Iran via the england administration.
There are just some very bitter, unhappy, mean sprited people who flock here to publicly boast of there jealiousy because other people have made something of themselves.
Really having a difficult time understanding your thought process. You believe the sewers have no place they can cut costs, but you believe your clients and the rest of the citizens do?
Is this your admission that the citizens are better at handling money than or elected leaders?
12:09 agree tough decisions they are forced to make but at least they are holding themselves accountable.
“I am going to ask the board to do three things that get superintendents fired. But this isn’t about Bruce Hibbard, it’s about this school system and how we can improve the academic achievement,” Hibbard said. “In three years, if we are not doing a better job, I will take the blame."
"You believe the sewers have no place they can cut costs, but you believe your clients and the rest of the citizens do?"
Citizens can conserve water, much more than most of us realize.
As far as the utility cutting costs, where can they? We can cut off Georgetown, how much will that save?
But I digress, I had been talking about the school situation
Shirley, they are following tweets on Twitter - Ann and Roger (I don't follow tweets but hear about them).
Year End Financial Statement has been printed today. Unbelievable. Try sitting down before reading.
Kay, are you sure the EDIT money you used without Council permission a couple of weeks ago; hey, let's word it another way, how could you not have known you needed it?
I have some reading to do.
Hire a firm to do a study and I bet they will come up with so many area to produce significant cost saving that even you who think that there is no where to cut costs would be shocked. The school was able to find 6 million in cuts.
are the Year End Financial Statement online. if so could you provide a link?
Shirley said "Someone mentioned that the Children's Academy could be used as a youth shelter. Same goes for reusing Silver St. for city and county offices"
if they must close them, not a bad idea to use them for other government buildings. Better than taking property tax producing property and making them into non tax producing government buildings.
sure the schools were able to find 6 mil in cuts by closing schools, cutting educational programs and so on how do you do that with sewers?
Anon 1:31
I wish I knew.
I personally think they should sell the admin properties on Grant line and move those offices into one of the closed schools. Perhaps that would enable them to make for some of the missing revenue and not cut programs for arts and music.
anon: 1:31
hire a firm to do a study. they hired a firm to set rates why not look at the expense side of the equation?
accountability should be on both revenues and expenses. not just revenues.
The school consolidated all administration personnel several years ago and sold all other unneeded buildings.
maybe music and arts class can be provided by the school at full cost to the students. Or this could provide a great business opportunity for someone to provide these classes on a private basis.
I was told the financials are in the legal section of the Tribune and that is not published. Sorry.
If music and art classes were made private only the people who could afford them would send their children to these classes.
What about the children who's parents can't afford such classes?
Maybe a local organization could get a grant to fund these classes. Hopefully something will work out.
selling buildings is not an continuous income stream that would support on-going services. it is a one time source of revenue. gotta think long-term or you end up broke.
According to Christopher D. citizens are more able to make cuts than government. The parents may have to flush less to be able to afford to send their kids to art and music class.
Yep, no links so you can read the numbers on line. Have to get my magnifying glasses out and study it at home, LOL. What, ended 09 4 million in the hole and started 10 with 5 million in the hole? Hey, can someone write a song about "in the hole"?
Privatize art and music? Sure. Just as soon as you agree to privatize all of the sports.
IN THE HOLE
In the hole is where we are.
Now do you really want to know how far?
I’ll tell you once but you won’t believe.
But 5 million dollars is what I see.
Now take a look yourself Mr. Christopher D.
Bet I know your solution, your favorite one indeed.
Don’t cut any expenses but raise them fees.
sports are self-supporting
screw educational activities if they're not self supporting, is that what you're saying.
from because you were never successful at school doesn't mean you have to condemn everyone else to a life of stupidity too.
3:12
Could you enlighten us with your educational background?
If sports are self supporting, why did we have to pay $14 million for the new weight room at NAHS?
Arts and music are just as important for the development of well rounded, educated youth as sports if not more so.
Also, in so far as music, the younger a child starts, the more likely they are to excel at the pursuit. (call me a know it all if you will on this topic, but I have been a musician since 4th grade, my was, and my daughter is, as well as my brothers, and most of my friends)
In so far as music and arts being privatized outside of school, they are, lessons of all sorts can be had at several businesses. but the last I checked, other than Jimmy music school of rock, there was no orchestra, concert band, jazz band, choir, bell canto, etc.
And most families, especially the endeared little people, can hardly afford private lessons.
We pay upwards of $80 for two hours of oice lessons for our daughter, who has excelled as a first soprano, has won gold at state level inter scholastic competitions, and is being aggressively pursued by nationally renouned colleges (Berkley school of music, St. Mary of the woods, etc) and has been offered amazing scholarships, all because of public schools arts and music programs.
i'm a professor of political science, you?
tell me what difference it makes what my educational background is and i'll tell you.
You pick....arts and music or teacher lay offs, resulting in more students per classroom.
Actually you don't get to pick...those with the expertise in education have already decided that having the teachers are more important.
It's inevitable...accept it like you have the sewer rates.
Your comment just didn't sound like it was coming from someone with a very good educational background themself. Certainly not someone with a higher education.
It caught my attention since you accused the poster of not being successful at school and It actually sounded like you might not have been very good in school.
Now enlighten as you stated you would.
Did you all hear the turned the brew house water off. Guess the sewers will be next. Tell me this gut ain't going under.
They are closing Scribner's pool, my daughter told me this moring.
Sports--self supporting? Not hardly.
Actually, I believe that sports, art, music, clubs, etc. are all important parts of education. I just don't believe that sport are more important than the others.
You ought to be ashamed of your self, using such language on here. Shame on you.
3:38 PM
Spoken like a person with no children in school.
Students who participate in music have abetter base understanding of mathmatical concepts, the drop out rates for students who participate in arts and music are significantly lower than those with out it.
but dont take my word for it:
"88% of Americans believe participation in music helps teach children discipline.
Gallup Poll, "American Attitudes Toward Music," 2003 "
"Students of lower socioeconomic status who took music lessons in grades 8-12 increased their math scores significantly as compared to non-music students. But just as important, reading, history, geography and even social skills soared by 40%.
Gardiner, Fox, Jeffrey and Knowles, Nature, May 23, 1996"
"The College Entrance Examination Board found that students in music appreciation scored 63 points higher on verbal and 44 points higher on math than students with no arts participation.
College-Bound Seniors National Report. "Profile of SAT Program Test Takers. Princeton, NJ." The College Entrance Examination Board, 2001 "
Or even better yet, ask your beloved CM Price, after all he is a musician. Ask him where he stands on teh removal of arts and music education in our schools!
3:46,
Aren't you just telling half the story? Shame on you.
Now Christopher D is claiming to be smarter than those running and operating our schools. Where did he attend to get his Master's in BS? He should have spent a little more time learning basic math and spelling.
where did I claim that? Show me, or shut up troll.
It caught my attention since you accused the poster of not being successful at school and It actually sounded like you might not have been very good in school.
Generally, those with the least education (like Price and Coffey) and the first to say cut cut cut everything.
The blog should ban all people who cuss. Or maybe ban all people convicted of dealing illegal drugs.
What's worse?
Those were not my words, those were the words of the The College Entrance Examination Board, the nation responding to a gallup poll, you want more? I can cite them, how about if you show me where NOT providing music and arts is good for the development of students from credible sources.
Where did Denhart/Erika get her Ph.D in political science?
so he cussed big deal who cares. people get angry when dealing with brainless morons.
Memo to the little people:
It's time to step up and help Roger. I know none of us like him. But hey, it's friday and we gotta help the dude out. So we just opened an account at PNC Bank so he can turn his water back on. I checked with the sewer billing office and he's not on their list "just" yet. So dig deep little people, cash in those nickels and dimes and help the dude out.
Home environment is much critical than than arts and music.
that's the truth. denhart and yvonne are angry, and they have to deal with themselves 24 hours a day.
Here Christopher D, let them chew on this
http://www2.ed.gov/teachers/how/tools/initiative/updates/040826.html
Memo to the little people:
It's time to step up and help Roger. I know none of us like him. But hey, it's friday and we gotta help the dude out. So we just opened an account at PNC Bank so he can turn his water back on.
Never miss a chance at slander, do you.
Never miss a chance to put out false "facts."
Too funny.
of course price is going to be OK with cutting schools. he's still angry that he couldn't finish high school.
of course denhart's going to be OK that others can't get a good job since she doesn't have one herself.
of course coffey's going to hope roger's business fails since he's never been too successful at business himself.
of course yvonne wants the police to be cut since it improves her odds at not being arrested again.
Here you all go again, picking on a hardworking citizen making life and death decisions.
Gosh, why do you blame everything on Denhart? She's working and doesn't even speak to Yvonne.
You folks got a bad case of cabin fever. Go roll your change and drop it off at the Bank Street Brewhouse. Be sure and tell him, you're one of the little people.
sounds like yvonne, price, denhart and coffey are just in it to boost their egos. since they can't be "big people," they want to doom everyone else to being a "little person."
screw kids, screw public services, screw police, screw people starting businesses, screw them all if they're trying to achieve something!
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