Apparently most of the important business was settled in the 48 hours prior to tonight's meeting. Jeff Gahan was the only nominee for Council President. John Gonder took his gavel and name plate and resumed his previous spot between Diane Benedetti and Jack Messer.
After that there was a lot of discussion on which committee each member would serve. It basically came out to about the same except that Diane Benedetti is off of the Fire Dept. Committee and on the Police Dept. Committee.
A couple of contracts seem to be up for renewal, namely Mathew Lorch, the council attorney and Ed Wilkinson, the Stormwater Engineer. It looks like both gentlemen will keep their jobs since they have done well and no one is eager to replace them.
Maybe our next meeting will have more on the agenda and thus be more entertaining. There was a woman taping the meeting. Unfortunately, I did not meet her or get her name but I was told that she is working on a documentary about local government and plans to tape the council meetings in the area. Maybe next time we will give her a good show.
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Thanks for reporting, Shirley.
Documentary? Well, maybe they'll put some of our Council's antics on TV. Hmmmmmm....
I'm sure CM Coffey will oblige, in time. Perhaps he can stage a BBQ Bologna cooking show for the documentary.
you are so boring baylor, with all that edumacation caint you come up with anything more about coffey besides bbq bologna, real pergressive bike boy
Shirley, I asked the young lady who she was taping for and she said the Tribune.
She was at one other meeting that I know of, maybe two, I can't remember.
@6:14 don't you have anything more about anything except whining and complaining?
1:30...a simple point was being made about a person who seldom has anything nice to say about anyone. Yes, most are tired of his winning and complaining. He is not happy unless he is making snide comments about someone, yet he gets so upset if anyone makes comments about him. I thought Shirley was going to stop allowing all that BS but apparently he is an exception to her rules.
btw...I guess you don't have anything better to do either since your post was nothing but wining and complaining about someone also.
4:19
I started moderating comments because people were posting filthy and disgusting remarks about others. These included profanity.
The person who commented at 6:14AM did not use profanity, they just commented about another person's jab at one of the council members.
I wish everyone only posted nice and complimentary things also but that is not going to happen. As long as people do not use foul language or slander others they are free to post their views.
Now I am not inviting people to start slamming each other, just trying to clarify things, again.
4:19,
maybe you should spend more time learning to spell and less time reading Baylor's comments. you would be smarter and happier.
wining is the opposite of losing.
Shirely just doesn't get it! Baylor is the problem. Not the people who complain about Baylor. She just doesnt have it in her to stand up to him and so he controls her blog. His goal is for Shirley to stop allowing anonymous post. He has almost suceeded and she is falling for it.
That guys named in your posting is Ed not Jim.
Are you still running for Council? If so you need to know your board members.
My apologies to Mr. Wilkinson. I know your first name is Ed. Guess I need to proof read for content as well as spelling.
Shirely just doesn't get it! Baylor is the problem. Not the people who complain about Baylor. She just doesnt have it in her to stand up to him and so he controls her blog. His goal is for Shirley to stop allowing anonymous post. He has almost suceeded and she is falling for it.
Exactly how am I exercising this insidious control, anonymous? Vulcan mind meld? Subliminal messaging? The extent of my conversations with Shirley, to which she can attest, have never gone much past "hello."
You folks (that's right, both of you) crack me up. You say I'm irrelevant and no one reads what I write, and then you say I'm a threat to troglodyte peace of mind and must be silenced.
Well, which is it?
5:34...if typing/spelling errors are your biggest concerns then you really do need to get a life. We have real issues going on in this city and typing errors are not one of them. Your complaint is so lame and typical of a Baylor wannabe. YAWN
5:34 I'm with you his articles are starting to get boring again. What will he be able to complain about now that there will be NO tolls. Oh, yes that's right. He still has diaper Dan and Price as binchong bags. At least he might leave my (man) State Rep. Ed alone.
Baylor, the extent of your conversation may simply be a hello to Shirley in person, but the past vile posted by you and your obnoxious boys anonymously on here forced her to monitor comments before they can be posted. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that you and your boys were behind all that anonymous vile. You managed to succeed in part in driving her bloggers away. Most people prefer to interact on a blog in real time, not just when Shirley has time to post the comments. Who has all day to wait for comments? Well, besides you Baylor and your boys. I'm done so you can go ahead and start back in with your immature name calling now.
@9:31 do you have something constructive to add?
Spelling and grammar errors are distracting. Slander and cursing are unacceptable. Baylor's insistence on posting identification is admirable. However, it has been traditional that newspapers require this of writers-in and that online forums have not.
As far as Baylor being a nuisance, I can certainly agree with that. And I agree that he has every right to put out a blog. However, I do question the Tribune keeping that space open just so he can jab at local people, good local people, who are just doing what they can to get a job done (most notably recently--the ORBP). His obsession with Ed Clere, a man with whom he has claimed to be friendly, appears to be disgruntled jealousy.
Roger Baylor needs to learn how to let people assigned or elected to a task do that task without harassment from him. In addition, it would help if Baylor would simply inform, rather than try to incite his readers (followers) into angry retort. He appears to consider his blog a bastion of local information. If he would make it such, rather than the bulwark of his own opinion against ORBP, 1SI, DNA, etc., then he would reach a broader readership, and people would consider him a serious source of information.
As it now is, most people I work with simply write him off as an angry malcontent.
Would that he be a real servant of the people, a non-partisan reporter, an obvious supporter of progress in New Albany....but, alas, I ask too much, methinks.
I am a proud member of Citizens for Accountability, and I genuinely believe that, if he would stop making fun of us, Roger and we ALL could be a great force for making life better in New Albany, Indiana.
Shirley, your blog is just the place for the conversation to begin!
I agree that people like to post in real time and not wait for me to publish their comments. I am sorry for the delay today in checking for unposted comments. This being Saturday I was busy with mundane jobs such as laundry and housecleaning.
Also I do appreciate the majority people who read and comment here. It's sad that a few have to make things hard on everyone else but that's the way it is in every aspect of life.
On another topic, I was talking with a friend today about the taping of the council meetings. We agree that they should be taped and shown to the public. She heard the Tribune was going to stream them on line. That is fine but not everyone has a computer. I still believe that WNAS should televise all of the city & county council meetings as well as the planning commission, or any other meeting held in the city-county building that is open to the public. We have a right to know what is going on in our city and not everyone has the time to attend all of these meetings.
@11:22 How right you are. I wish the name calling would stop and people could interact in real time. That was my goal when I started this blog. I wish I could read this blog all day and delete the trash as soon as it appears but I am forced to work since the lottery keeps refusing to draw my numbers :). But if people didn't act like idiots, well you know the rest.
But thak you for visiting and come back any time.
Baylor, the extent of your conversation may simply be a hello to Shirley in person, but the past vile posted by you and your obnoxious boys anonymously on here forced her to monitor comments before they can be posted.
Yawn. I neither post anonymously, nor orchestrate occurrences of behavior I never condone.
That's the whole point of not enabling trolls by letting them place bags over their heads. It's condoning irresponsibility, and I'm against that.
Baylor's insistence on posting identification is admirable.
After which "anonymous" recommences the bashing that he/she accuses me of doing.
Another yawn.
Roger Baylor needs to learn how to let people assigned or elected to a task do that task without harassment from him.
Really? I'm supposed to refrain from my opinion, even as anonymous character assassins call other elected officials names worse than the ones I can conjur?
Whoa! The hypocrisy is especially thick in here today.
Shirley, I appreciate your response to my post. I'll be glad to check in regularly (something I've only begun to do recently), and to post when I can. I'm afraid that I must remain anonymous due to my position in New Albany's political scene and I appreciate the opportunity to add to the conversation thanks to this anonymity.
Most of all, I appreciate your insistence on banter that is civil and thoughtful rather than contentious and vitriolic. Thank you for seeing that your blog remain a place where real discussion can take place.
Until your lottery ticket brings you untold millions, I am happy to wait for you to approve each comment. Again, your willingness to do this is evidence of your wish to help New Albany become a better place in which to live. Thank you!
Signed,
11:22 :)
11:22 Thank you. It because of people like yourself who are in sensitive political positions that I allow anonymous posting. I know why the "Tribune" has to verify every letter but that is not nececcary here.
If a person uses their own name or a pen name, does that make what they say more truthful? And if a person does use a pen name, no one knows their real identity anyway.
I write under my own name because I do not have a sensitive position where it makes a difference. And I am selfish enough to want to take credit for what I say. (not really but it sounded good)
Have a great week New Albany
Wow! 11:22 hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned and said it better than I would of ever said it! And I do not think that person said anything that was "hypocrisy" as Baylor said. I also don't see anything that 11:22 said about Baylor as "bashing" him. Saying that he needs to let people do their job is a good thing to say. Besides that he does rail on people instead of just reporting the facts. Its all opinion. Gets a little old.
I get sick of him thinking that every time we write, "all two of us" that he's indicating we're somehow not truthful.
I hope 11:22 comes back too. Time to see some intelligence on here. And he's right that your blog is great Shirley!
sensitive political positions
Just what does this mean? If a known elected or appointed official has something to say, why can't he or she say it without being protected? Isn't that the whole idea of transparency?
If they're not elected or appointed, how is it sensitive?
By sensitive I did not mean elected but a person who works for an elected official would probably have to be careful sometimes.
@ 5:52 Thank you
Re: Sensitive Political Positions
Just what does this mean? If a known elected or appointed official has something to say, why can't he or she say it without being protected? Isn't that the whole idea of transparency?
Mr. Baylor, what if a known elected or appointed official does NOT have something to say? What if he/she needs more time? Why should he/she still be hounded until he/she says something?
Isn't the whole idea of transparency that a known elected or appointed official say what he or she really means rather than saying something that is then misquoted or made fun of because the official spoke in haste, desperate to avoid further harassment?
Just asking.
FoxNews/Palin/Rush want to be able to demonize and dehumanize others but not be held to account when a crazy person takes their statements to their logical conclusion.
What bothers us is when Arizona state representative Linda Lopez (democrat) turned this assassination attempt ...into a partisan political attack by Democrats on the "Tea Party" movement.
Yeah, Tea Party people just stomp on liberals' heads.
Very good question, 10:18! I've sat back and watched while Baylor's bored the world with his criticism of various civic leaders and have become disgusted, disgusted, disgusted with his ongoing attacks on Ed Clere, who, for his part, has shown far more wisdom than ANY other politician because his stance is simply that he'll let the people assigned to do the job DO the job. I can tell Clere is listening, and he has said he'll have things to say when it's appropriate. That's just ONE example of Baylor's harassment. I could name more. Certainly, the way he's treated Jerry Finn hasn't been pleasant either. And his darts at Michael Dalby are legion and unnecessary.
I really don't like talking about Roger Baylor. Why don't we get on another topic that is more positive?
3:12 I agree, Baylor is just plain boring. Same ole Sh@t from him day after day. Double YAWN! Let's move forward.
I really don't like talking about Roger Baylor. Why don't we get on another topic that is more positive?
You guys are going to LOVE me Thursday column this week!
I'm so happy you're reading!!
Keep up those groovy comments!!!
(triple yawn)
On the other hand, there is a young statesman whose column appears next to another, more seasoned, statesman in today's Tribune. I like what he says about the whole toll mess. His bringing history out and telling us that it's all been done before (the argument of different sides of the question of tolling) can help us keep our own ideas in perspective. I found it most interesting that the government swooped in with 90% of the cost of the Kennedy and the Minton bridges (something that won't be happening today).
Now, I'm sure there will be those certain people, who I might as well not name, that'll jump all over Rep. Clere for his article for one reason or another, and who'll keep twisting and inventing what has been said and by whom, but for me this column stands as a great reminder that cool heads and calm study will get us further along than will bickering.
Oh, and here's the link to the above mentioned article:
http://newsandtribune.com/opinion/x1638000239/CLERE-Delay-is-taking-a-toll
"You guys are going to LOVE me Thursday column this week!"
Wow, what grammer!
Yeah, caught me on that one.
"my Thursday column"
LOL
It's a Cappuccino/Li'l Stevie epic ...
i once watched an argument between two random people on the street. the argument went like this:
he yelled, "you a ho!"
she replied, "i'm not"
he yelled, "you is."
she replied, "i'm not."
i kid you not, this went on for at least 20 repeats.
the same 'logic' is apparent here.
anonymous wrote, "baylors a idiot."
anonymous wrote, "baylors a idiot."
anonymous wrote, "baylors a idiot."
Palin said she's going to keep using "reload" in her speeches and bulls eyes on her Facebook page. She says not her problem if some crazy takes her literally. Is that what she's saying?
I read Ed Clere's article today and found it very interesting. When they built the Clark Memorial (Second St.) bridge it had tolls because it was a NEW bridge and needed to be financed.
The Kennedy, Clark, and Sherman Minton bridges have been paid for 50 or more years ago. If they have to toll the new East End bridge I understand because it will be new and as Mr. Clere said, the Fed would never be able to fund 90% of the cost of a bridge again. But please if a bridge has to have a toll, let the toll be dropped the day the bridge is paid off. There will not be a need after that.
I, too, was very interested in Rep. Clere's column today. I hadn't any idea of what had transpired to get the bridges we have now built and paid for. It shows that he is really taking this issue seriously that he did all the research needed to write that column.
Interesting too, is what I hear from people around town--some people are literally BEGGING for tolls so that they can get to work on time or so they don't have to be made to leave super early just to get there. One guy I know was really vehement about it. I found that interesting.
Ms. Baird, your blog is great and I've had a good time reading everyone's responses. Yes, I agree that your blog is just the place to get people to chatting about local issues. Thanks for having it here. I'll try to check in more often, now that I see so many others do the same!
Shirley, I agree! If a toll must be applied, PLEASE let it be dropped the day that bridge is paid off!
How shallow. Baylor even criticizes others for his use of poor grammar. That tells you a lot about that guy.
The mutual m*st*rb*t**n exercise that goes on between Roger Baylor and Jeff Gillenwater is an ongoing YAWN.
The mutual m*st*rb*t**n exercise that goes on between Roger Baylor and Jeff Gillenwater is an ongoing YAWN.
Turn your masked and hooded faces if you must, but at least we do it out in the open.
LMAO x 2
You guyz is da best ... Shirley's blog, and all you do is talk about me.
I seriously doubt that Roger or "one his boys" wrote the 8:07 comment. Who are you going to blame now?
Nonetheless, I agree with 8:07's thought, if not the verbiage. Every time I'm sent to check out a link to Baylor's blog, he's droning on about the same, tired stuff. And Gillenwater does it too, only Gillenwater's more obviously angry, visciously angry. Baylor sounds like he's trying to amuse himself at others' expense.
Too bad these "boys" can't get along and play nice.
If the Council were conducting business in the 48 hours prior to the meeting, would that not violate Indiana's Open Door laws?
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